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So errrr what is the UK doing right now to enable its citizens to prepare for an attack from Russia?

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EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 20/11/2024 10:38

Are we just going for the head in the sand approach or are we going to get a pamphlet or something?

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Isthisrightandlegal · 21/11/2024 10:56

I was obsessed with ‘children of the dust’ when I was a teenager . Obsessed and terrified but I kept reading it !

NerdWhoEatsMedlar · 21/11/2024 11:04

"Oh my God ! Russia has hacked Thames Water and put the capital's water supply at risk!"
"How could you tell ?"

bombastix · 21/11/2024 11:16

NerdWhoEatsMedlar · 21/11/2024 11:04

"Oh my God ! Russia has hacked Thames Water and put the capital's water supply at risk!"
"How could you tell ?"

Yes did Russia buy shares? That seems the best way to do long term damage to our critical infrastructure

SerendipityJane · 21/11/2024 11:29

bombastix · 21/11/2024 11:16

Yes did Russia buy shares? That seems the best way to do long term damage to our critical infrastructure

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InterIgnis · 21/11/2024 11:39

Thevelvelletes · 20/11/2024 21:41

More cyber attacks,fuck with banking systems, health care, supermarkets deliveries /services all have an impact without firing a bullet.
I still think all the various outages that have been happening affecting the aforementioned is Russia fucking with the UK.

Indeed. The UK, as well as Germany and the U.S are countries that Russia has named as ones to specifically focus on.

There are ways to wage war outside of military action. This was a tactic of the Soviet Union as well. The west does it, but not on the scale that Russia does - Russia does have the advantage here, and they’ve had a lot of success. The west is very much on the back foot. An outside threat tends to unite people against the common enemy, but sow enough internal discord and you can get a people to turn on each other, and destroy themselves from within.

Again, I don’t believe that nuclear war will happen. It’s useful to threaten to inspire panic (and sow discord), but imo it isn’t something that anyone actually wants.

I suspect the escalation now may be, at least in part, to help Trump tbh. He’s positioned himself as the peaceful President to be, as someone that isn’t going to continue to fund an unpopular proxy war. A Trump administration is around the corner, and and dropping support for Ukraine/giving Russia what it wants is something that can be framed as ‘Trump saves the world from nuclear destruction!’. This will play well with a fearful public, and drown out any criticism of this particular policy.

https://www.marshallcenter.org/en/publications/security-insights/active-measures-russias-covert-geopolitical-operations-0

“Aktivnye meropriyatiya, “active measures,” was a term used by the Soviet Union (USSR) from the 1950s onward to describe a gamut of covert and deniable political influence and subversion operations, including (but not limited to) the establishment of front organizations, the backing of friendly political movements, the orchestration of domestic unrest and the spread of disinformation. (Indeed, the Committee for State Security [KGB]’s Service A, its primary active measures department, was originally Service D, meaning disinformation.)
In many ways, active measures reflect the wartime mentality of the Soviet leadership, as similar tactics were used by the British Special Operations Executive (SOE) and U.S. Office of Strategic Services (OSS) during the Second World War, but much less frequently thereafter. For the KGB, however, active measures increasingly became central to its mission abroad in the postwar period, something made explicit by then–KGB chair Yuri Andropov in his Directive No. 0066 of 19821 Tellingly, the KGB’s official definition of “intelligence” was “a secret form of political struggle which makes use of clandestine means and methods for acquiring secret information of interest and for carrying out active measures to exert influence on the adversary and weaken his political, economic, scientific and technical and military positions.”2

Such practices became less common during Gorbachev’s reform era and then in the chaotic 1990s, in part because of a desire to improve relations with the West and in part due to the collapse of Soviet and then Russian covert networks abroad. However, under President Vladimir Putin, Russia’s foreign intelligence services were restored to their old levels of funding and activity, and early hopes of a modus vivendi with the West soon foundered, hampered by unrealistic expectations and mutual suspicions. By the mid-2000s, active measures were no longer confined to the immediate neighborhood of the post-Soviet “Near Abroad” countries, but were again being seen as a central component of Moscow’s wider strategy. This change reflected a broad shift in strategic perspective best encapsulated by Alexander Vladimirov, a retired major-general who then chaired the military experts’ panel at the Russian International Affairs Council, an influential think tank close to the Russian Presidential Administration (AP). In 2007, he wrote that “modern wars are waged on the level of consciousness and ideas” and that “modern humanity exists in a state of permanent war” in which it is “eternally oscillating between phases of actual armed struggle and constant preparation for it."3

Ursulla · 21/11/2024 11:50

Can you imagine the Facebook neighbourhood posts? They already piss and moan for days about someone having fireworks in their back garden.

"Whoever set off a nuke at 11.30 last night, I hope you're happy with your selfish-face self. Kids and dogs are crying now, cheers."

Mary8417 · 21/11/2024 13:20

My husband saw a tank being transported yesterday Grin (for real)

DogInATent · 21/11/2024 14:13

Mary8417 · 21/11/2024 13:20

My husband saw a tank being transported yesterday Grin (for real)

Not unusual in many parts of the UK.

Hazey19 · 21/11/2024 18:08

A pamphlet made me laugh 😂

tommyhoundmum · 21/11/2024 18:25

I hope it's not a text, I don't do mobile.

We are under constant attack from Russia and probably China too. It's just not bombs just a gradual undermining of our infrastructures etc. Just hope we are doing it to them too.

JDEE72 · 21/11/2024 18:40

I’ve got some Mylar sheets and out of date instant pasta if anyone needs to bunk in my greenhouse with me?

ThistleTits · 21/11/2024 18:42

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 20/11/2024 10:45

By doing what? We need guidance!

Are you unable to think what to do without a government pamphlet? That should be more of a concern to you than a possible nuclear bomb.

Mamabearsmile · 21/11/2024 18:49

Just eat your Christmas cake early and don't forget the wensledale!...

toxic44 · 21/11/2024 18:58

Doesn't it amaze you that Starmer is willing to risk the lives of 60m people (all of us) without any attempts at diplomacy? He just mouths on about how we must stand by Ukraine. Supplying long-range missiles to Ukraine for use against Russia sounds a death wish to me. Nobody has asked what the cost of it would be to the rest of us.

toxic44 · 21/11/2024 18:59

Interesting censorship. My comment has been refused.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 21/11/2024 19:04

toxic44 · 21/11/2024 18:59

Interesting censorship. My comment has been refused.

Oooh what did you write? 🥴

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Mamabearsmile · 21/11/2024 19:10

To not use them is a death wish for Ukraine and that's unacceptable. What else? Boots on the ground?

toxic44 · 21/11/2024 19:11

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 21/11/2024 19:04

Oooh what did you write? 🥴

I expect it would be removed if I repeated it. Basically that nuclear attack could kill all of us, without us having had any involvement in the decision to supply the missiles.

David15 · 21/11/2024 19:11

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 20/11/2024 10:45

Apparently Finland and Sweden are giving out pamphlets. Germany has published a document where they are going to act as a ‘logistics hub’ for NATO troops. Russia is mass producing mobile bunkers for their citizens. I just wonder what Keir and crew are getting together for us.
A Powerpoint to duck and take cover at least? I had to change the autocorrect from’dick’ and take cover 🤦🏻‍♀️)

Finland share a border with Russia and have always been alert to any threat.

Mamabearsmile · 21/11/2024 19:12

No, your comments here.

David15 · 21/11/2024 19:12

toxic44 · 21/11/2024 18:58

Doesn't it amaze you that Starmer is willing to risk the lives of 60m people (all of us) without any attempts at diplomacy? He just mouths on about how we must stand by Ukraine. Supplying long-range missiles to Ukraine for use against Russia sounds a death wish to me. Nobody has asked what the cost of it would be to the rest of us.

Diplomacy with Putin?

Delta41 · 21/11/2024 19:14

Not really a whole lot you can do if there was a full on nuclear strike. Or are we talking about cyber attacks here?
The latter is more likely and well let MI5 and GCHQ deal with it.

the former is highly unlikely.

  1. Putin unless (and his key chiefs of staff) beyond nuts doesn’t want this. Why would he? It would be the end. For everyone. Including the obliteration of Russia. An attack on one NATO member incurs the reaction of all. And there’s lots of members.
  2. China (his key semi ally) really doesn’t want this.
  3. if he did launch, for example, it would most likely be a battlefield weapon, in Ukraine, as a signal of intent. Highly unlikely, but maybe, barring some trigger happy accident, but maybe the most concerning. It would probably be a blue flag event - Ukraine / NATO “fired first. Honest…
  4. His aim is not world destruction. But increased power / influence for Russia. A more drawn out war with Ukrainian during the end of the Biden period is going to leave him to deal with Trump, who is probably more likely (your view on whether right or wrong) to end the war. Doing do will likely see Russia keep some territory.

Ultimately, apart from a few days food stocking, what’s there to do? And then you then get hungry after that. ..

Quite frankly a few warheads dotted around key urban centres, military bases and assets and it’s absolute curtains.

But highly highly unlikely. Barring an accident. Or the entire Kremlin having a particularly heavy night on high grade cocaine. On top of the vodka.

if you want to truly depress yourself and see how futile any prep realistically is, unless you’re moving to
the outer Hebrides with a caravan stocked with evian and baked beans, watch Threads.
might still be on Iplayer:

but barring an accident. Not going to happen. Not for a few
year anyway…..

RosaMoline · 21/11/2024 19:20

I’m a rational person, but now I’m getting scared.
Talk me down, please 😔

user1471453601 · 21/11/2024 19:23

I recently watched Fallout on Prime (excellent by the way) and in the opening episode a child character says to a parent "you remember you said if the mushroom cloud was bigger than your thumb, run toward it ..."

is that the kind of advice you would want? As I recall Threads also cautioned that the symptoms of radiation sickness and panic can seem quite similar.

In short, there is no worthwhile advise. We will die.

Babadookinthewardrobe · 21/11/2024 20:14

Mekumeku · 20/11/2024 16:20

I have no idea what you are talking about. You are an excellent example of why universal suffrage was a terrible idea.

No, you don’t do you. Yet here you are criticising others when you don’t even know enough to get the joke. Embarrassing.

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