BBC apologise to Amanda Abbington

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https://news.sky.com/story/bbc-apologises-to-amanda-abbington-and-says-some-strictly-complaints-against-giovanni-pernice-upheld-13225126

That's it isn't it- she's achieved her aim - he can't bully anyone else on strictly now. Good.

Do you know that only 3% of rapists are found guilty. Do you think that only 3% of men who are charged with rape are actually guilty and all those women are lying? Interestingly, some of those who get away with it have actually been found guilty of rape previously.

While we are on the subject, i can't stand it when people say "i also got bullied, but mine was worse, so she's got no right to be upset."

That's a load of bullshit.

I was sexually harassed at work. The man involved also harassed other people, but he only said words to them whereas he touched me.

What fucking right would i have to tell them they have no right to be upset because i had it worse?

The only thing i would offer them is sympathy for also being affected by this vile pig of a man.

Who was incidentally, also young and good looking and had it not happened at a work function and been witnessed, I'm sure people would have doubted it. As it was, some people still told me to get over it, it wasn't that bad, he's been spoken to so that should be the end of it, you don't want to ruin his career do you?

Yeah i did actually. I didn't want him in a position where he could harass any other women ever again. i pushed the grievance to the very end and he got fired. Fuck him and everyone like him.

She accused him of 11 things (unknown) that were not upheld.

IME this means there was no evidence to support these accusations.

I feel more sorry for Pernice I'm afraid.. she's tried to make a point that wasn't there to be made.

Save some of your outrage for someone whose reputation and livelihood has been dragged through the mud and has now been mainly cleared.

My view is she is a fragile person and couldn't handle any kind of pressure on the show. It was clearly going to be hard work. Some negative comments is hardly a big deal

Get a grip. She was essentially told her work was crap and to buck up. She threw the toys out the pram imo.

I seriously miss the days when it was a laugh. When some of the competitors were dreadful. When we could laugh along and vote to keep them in out of sympathy.
Now it’s serious business and I understand completely that once the bar has been raised it’s hard to lower it.
All the pros want to win.
That means hard work. Pushing your partner to the limit daily.
The dance world is not sweetness and light.
It is brutal. I’ve known dancers who have been dropped purely because their thigh is an inch too short. Or their breasts too big. Or their back is too long. Or they don’t have the correct hair. Or they are too fat-ie not anorexic looking. Dancers often develop eating disorders. I’ve seen their self confidence smashed to pieces.
If they don’t like it they know where the door is.
Nobody would expect Alex Ferguson to speak all nicely nicely and calmly to footballers if they they lost. Yet they are shocked when dancers get the same treatment.
I think you have to work hard if you go on, otherwise be prepared to be ‘the joke’ act.
I don’t think bullying is acceptable.
I watched the interview with Amanda and she came across as genuine.

But they're not professional dancers. It's a celeb reality tv type programme not a professional dance competition.

So the 6 instances that were upheld should just be... What, completely ignored?

Why?

@Hungrycaterpillarsmummy I don't need to get a grip thanks. Please do tell me where you've got your (made up) information from?

@CeruleanBelt of course they shouldn't be ignored. They've been upheld. She's had an apology for being sworn at, and he lost his job.

Evwrtone knows they are not professional dancers but like I said, once the bar has been raised I imagine it is very difficult to lower it again.
Picture professional dancer A happy for their partner to train 3 hours per day.
Then professionals B & C start training for 5 hours a day. Then professionals D & E start training for 7 hours every day, and it shows.
Suddenly A is in the dance off.
I can’t imagine any professional being happy with that.
The obvious answer is that they then up the training schedule and so it continues.
All of them want to win.

Perfect outcome for the BBC. Not enough dismissed to expose them to calls for him to be reinstated, enough doubt cast on AA for her to be painted as a "snowflake who couldn't hack it" and everyone can go back to normal and pretend none of it happened.

Those that need to hear it will have received the message to keep quiet in future.

Nothing to see here!

Women have voted with their feet though. Arent there less female contestants this year.

I once worked with Amanda Abbington. Let's just say it's an experience I wouldn't want to repeat.

You said this "I feel more sorry for Pernice I'm afraid.. she's tried to make a point that wasn't there to be made."

Why do you feel sorry for him when he's had 6 complaints upheld against him?

Not professionals, no, but the harsh judging and Craigs criticism make it clear that they expect them to learn to a professional standard.

That puts pressure on the Pro's that are teaching the celebs the choreography.

You also have to bear in mind the environment those pro dancers were taught and train in. it IS abusive, they DO get yelled/sworn at and picked up over every aspect of their appearance and form, some of that will bleed over when they teach the celebs.

You notice that pro's who've learned other forms of dance haven't complained, because they were also taught that way, especially anyone who used to dance ballet, they're the worst of the lot >.<

I'm a singer, opera trained, and i've done musical theatre, and i've had my fair share of being shouted at for getting stuff wrong, it really is a case of if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Should it be like that? No, but it can be, and has, and that's what's caused this, not because the pro's are horrible abusive people,, but because that is how they were taught, so is how they teach.

Does it need to change? yes, which is why the BBC have apologised and Gio doesn't have a job there any more, and why they have put stuff in place to chaperone.

None of this takes away the fact that the way AA went about this made a mountain out of a molehill and ruined her career and damaged GP's.

Yes, I agree with all of this. She was very brave to report, and did it to protect other women as well as herself, knowing what the backlash was likely to be.

The BBC has both marked its own homework and reported its own story, so I'm not surprised that BBC and its employees are shown positively.

I'm a singer, opera trained, and i've done musical theatre, and i've had my fair share of being shouted at for getting stuff wrong, it really is a case of if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

They can't get out of the kitchen. They have a contract. that's the point, these women are having to take being bullied by inadequate men and they have NO choice but to keep going back or they'll get sued by the bbc for breach of contract.

He ruined his own career. He should have just not given her cause for complaint.

Because I don't think for one minute the celebs expect it to be a walk in the park. They all doing it to either raise their profile, resurrect their ages career or just for the money. It's hardly because they want to learn to dance.

So the training is hard.. they knew that... I know that and I'm not in the business

The pros are ambitious and work them hard.

I wonder how many are offered it and they are wise enough to say no.

No she shouldn't have been sworn at, no one should. But it's all a bit of a storm in a very delicate tea cup.

You know for sure what went on then?

In what way?

I think it will be interesting to see if Giovanni drops it and wants to get on with his life or whether he takes any form of counter action against her. She has already incurred massive legal costs with this.

I read on here ages ago that the dancers are the equivalent of Olympic athletes and you can't go into this thinking it's going to be easy because it won't be.

I wanted to believe Amanda as a woman but I just couldn't. The story changed too many times.

I hope Giovanni gets a big fat contract with ITV.

So these people think Amanda was lying or overreacting - you wouldn't mind if your colleague was swearing at you, and being aggressive and intimidating?

I can imagine this! Guilty of giving negative feedback? Christ I trained as a nurses many years ago I watched another student nurse on the ward slapped on the arms for folding them, others shouted at , told there was always something to be done.

When dealt with some awful things happening we were told just to get on with it and we were very young in our late teens early 20,s.
Given a bit of negative feedback and a bit of swearing doesn’t amount to much in real life.