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smallchange · 30/09/2024 22:12

awaynboilyurheid · 30/09/2024 21:39

I can imagine this! Guilty of giving negative feedback? Christ I trained as a nurses many years ago I watched another student nurse on the ward slapped on the arms for folding them, others shouted at , told there was always something to be done.

When dealt with some awful things happening we were told just to get on with it and we were very young in our late teens early 20,s.
Given a bit of negative feedback and a bit of swearing doesn’t amount to much in real life.

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Fuck, the concept of Civility Saves Lives has obviously passed you by.

awaynboilyurheid · 30/09/2024 22:36

smallchange · 30/09/2024 22:12

Fuck, the concept of Civility Saves Lives has obviously passed you by.

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And you by sound of it

movingonok · 01/10/2024 00:13

I wonder if people on I'm A Celebrity can claim bullying for having a ton of beasties dropped on them?

I know, I'm being somewhat facetious but these are people choosing to partake in reality shows to boost their careers.

CeruleanBelt · 01/10/2024 06:43

movingonok · 01/10/2024 00:13

I wonder if people on I'm A Celebrity can claim bullying for having a ton of beasties dropped on them?

I know, I'm being somewhat facetious but these are people choosing to partake in reality shows to boost their careers.

People going on I'm a celeb know there will be beasties. They agree to it.

Amanda knew there would be dancing. She agreed to it. She didn't agree to be bullied by some inadequate little man.

SardinesOnGingerbread · 01/10/2024 07:21

Novaavon · 30/09/2024 19:01

I once worked with Amanda Abbington. Let's just say it's an experience I wouldn't want to repeat.

Well, anonymous internet poster, that's hard evidence right there is it? Easy to drop an implied slur on someone online with no evidence or come back.

MagdaLenor · 01/10/2024 07:25

As I understand it, Amanda was formally diagnosed with PTSD. Giovanni was not completely exonerated (I think 6 out of the 11 accusations were upheld), so she could still sue the BBC.

Freysimo · 01/10/2024 07:31

Bouncyballs3 · 30/09/2024 17:35

Remember this is the BBC “investigating” their own flagship show, they’re a million miles from unbiased. If in any possible way they could have completely exonerated him they would have. What kind of evidence have they considered? I imagine 90% of it was verbal testimony from Abingdon and pernice. There are other celebs that have spoken out about inappropriate behaviour too so it’s not just her.

So basically the BBC investigating themselves? How is this impartial? I don't think AA would have made a complaint lightly.

CeruleanBelt · 01/10/2024 07:37

SardinesOnGingerbread · 01/10/2024 07:21

Well, anonymous internet poster, that's hard evidence right there is it? Easy to drop an implied slur on someone online with no evidence or come back.

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What are you talking about, that's incontrovertible proof right there that AA is a BAD PERSON! 😂

SissySpacekAteMyHamster · 01/10/2024 07:47

I wouldn't trust the BBC as far as I could throw Jimmy Savile!

PonyPlaiter · 01/10/2024 07:48

awaynboilyurheid · 30/09/2024 21:39

I can imagine this! Guilty of giving negative feedback? Christ I trained as a nurses many years ago I watched another student nurse on the ward slapped on the arms for folding them, others shouted at , told there was always something to be done.

When dealt with some awful things happening we were told just to get on with it and we were very young in our late teens early 20,s.
Given a bit of negative feedback and a bit of swearing doesn’t amount to much in real life.

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What a stupid analogy. Would this be an acceptable way to treat young nurses these days?

of course it wouldn’t! Women don’t have to put up with this shit any more - sorry it happened in your day but the world has moved on

Holidaysrule · 01/10/2024 07:54

I don’t think there is enough information in the public domain to make an informed decision. They haven’t said exactly what he’s supposed to have done, what specific complaints were upheld and which were dismissed. So I don’t know. She could be a massive drama queen. He could be an abusive twat or it could be a combination of the two, or neither.
If he said “you are useless” for example that is different in my opinion than saying “that was useless”.

CeruleanBelt · 01/10/2024 07:56

PonyPlaiter · 01/10/2024 07:48

What a stupid analogy. Would this be an acceptable way to treat young nurses these days?

of course it wouldn’t! Women don’t have to put up with this shit any more - sorry it happened in your day but the world has moved on

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Isn't it sad when women actively want other women to suffer because they did and see it as some sort of weird rite of passage? Like you have to earn your stripes by being bullied and abused or you're weak?

I'm glad that when i was bullied and harassed it didn't lead to me having an empathy bypass for other women.

Novaavon · 01/10/2024 08:01

@SardinesOnGingerbread I deliberately didn't give more details as it was my experience but it may not be the experience of others. Maybe I should have done. I found her very difficult to deal with and I would prefer not to work with her or deal with her again.

CeruleanBelt · 01/10/2024 08:08

Holidaysrule · 01/10/2024 07:54

I don’t think there is enough information in the public domain to make an informed decision. They haven’t said exactly what he’s supposed to have done, what specific complaints were upheld and which were dismissed. So I don’t know. She could be a massive drama queen. He could be an abusive twat or it could be a combination of the two, or neither.
If he said “you are useless” for example that is different in my opinion than saying “that was useless”.

It's not likely to be "neither" though is it?

The BBC in all is biased, rug sweeping glory upheld 6 of the complaints, so it really can't be neither or that shes just a massive drama queen.

Teddleshon · 01/10/2024 08:13

@Novaavon many people are difficult to work with. Doesn't mean it is justified to hurl insults at them.

Novaavon · 01/10/2024 08:15

Teddleshon · 01/10/2024 08:13

@Novaavon many people are difficult to work with. Doesn't mean it is justified to hurl insults at them.

I don't disagree. No-one deserves to have insults hurled at them.

PonyPlaiter · 01/10/2024 08:17

Celebs who go on strictly probably expect to learn to dance, to be working hard and training for hours every day, but probably also expect for it to be at least a little bit fun and enjoyable. I’ve danced socially quite a lot in various styles including ballroom and competed at a low level. I would have loved to have a go on strictly. You might think you’d get someone who treats you with respect and can approach dance training in a cheerful way since the pros are being paid to do a job.

Imagine instead being verbally abused in a room with your dance partner because you can’t pick up the complex steps fast enough for them. Imagine being told you’re stupid, that it’s easy, why can’t you do it right. You can tell when someone dislikes and is impatient with you - imagine having to be in hold with that person, in close bodily contact with them while they’re angry with you because you can’t do something they find easy - because they’ve been doing it for 20 years. They might swing you into the turns with more force than is necessary, hold your hand tighter than they should. Plenty of ways to show someone you’re pissed off with them when you have the advantage of height, weight and strength. Imagine having to then go on telly with that person, having to pretend for the camera that everything is fine and you’re happy to be there and having a great time.

If you say anything you’ll be told “well this is what you signed up for” but you suspect other celebs aren’t having the same experience as you. Maybe they’re even enjoying it. Everything around strictly is built around pretending they’re all happy families and having the courage to shatter that illusion is huge.

If you tell me you’d put yourself in a position being trained by someone like the person I describe and not be affected by it I’ll call you a liar. And NO I don’t know what actually went on in that room but neither does anyone else simpering “oh poor Gio he didn’t do anything wrong, that nasty woman is just an attention seeking snowflake who couldn’t hack it”. I wouldn’t expect any woman to work in a hostile environment and neither should you handmaidens with your internalised misogyny.

still he’s physically attractive and he didn’t hit her so what the fuck is she complaining about really

CeruleanBelt · 01/10/2024 08:18

PonyPlaiter · 01/10/2024 08:17

Celebs who go on strictly probably expect to learn to dance, to be working hard and training for hours every day, but probably also expect for it to be at least a little bit fun and enjoyable. I’ve danced socially quite a lot in various styles including ballroom and competed at a low level. I would have loved to have a go on strictly. You might think you’d get someone who treats you with respect and can approach dance training in a cheerful way since the pros are being paid to do a job.

Imagine instead being verbally abused in a room with your dance partner because you can’t pick up the complex steps fast enough for them. Imagine being told you’re stupid, that it’s easy, why can’t you do it right. You can tell when someone dislikes and is impatient with you - imagine having to be in hold with that person, in close bodily contact with them while they’re angry with you because you can’t do something they find easy - because they’ve been doing it for 20 years. They might swing you into the turns with more force than is necessary, hold your hand tighter than they should. Plenty of ways to show someone you’re pissed off with them when you have the advantage of height, weight and strength. Imagine having to then go on telly with that person, having to pretend for the camera that everything is fine and you’re happy to be there and having a great time.

If you say anything you’ll be told “well this is what you signed up for” but you suspect other celebs aren’t having the same experience as you. Maybe they’re even enjoying it. Everything around strictly is built around pretending they’re all happy families and having the courage to shatter that illusion is huge.

If you tell me you’d put yourself in a position being trained by someone like the person I describe and not be affected by it I’ll call you a liar. And NO I don’t know what actually went on in that room but neither does anyone else simpering “oh poor Gio he didn’t do anything wrong, that nasty woman is just an attention seeking snowflake who couldn’t hack it”. I wouldn’t expect any woman to work in a hostile environment and neither should you handmaidens with your internalised misogyny.

still he’s physically attractive and he didn’t hit her so what the fuck is she complaining about really

EXACTLY

CheeseWisely · 01/10/2024 08:18

So the BBC investigated itself and found little to no fault with a big star of a big show? Oh well must be true then. As you were everyone.

CeruleanBelt · 01/10/2024 08:27

Ballroom dancing is surprisingly intimate if you've never done it. Your torso, hips, thighs and hands touch when you're in hold. Your groins are touching. Your male partner's leg should move in between your legs. You're moving backwards, while he's moving forwards and he's in control of where you go and what you do. The woman is supposed to just follow - any sign of resistance to the man's control is penalised by the judges.

Now imagine doing that on national tv with someone who is bullying you. And smiling.

orangegato · 01/10/2024 09:22

Team Amanda all the way, wtf is wrong with people here? One third of the complaints were upheld which is a lot since it was the BBC investigating themselves.

No one would go through coming out with all that if he was innocent.

Pollymollydolly · 01/10/2024 16:26

orangegato · 01/10/2024 09:22

Team Amanda all the way, wtf is wrong with people here? One third of the complaints were upheld which is a lot since it was the BBC investigating themselves.

No one would go through coming out with all that if he was innocent.

One third of the complaints. Have you read which complaints were NOT upheld? The ones accusing him of abusive threatening behaviour?

The complaints upheld appear to be that he could be overly negative in feedback. And that he swore. There is a huge difference between somebody being overly negative in feedback and being abusive.

It’s ridiculous that he has been cleared of abusive behaviour and Amanda is claiming to be vindicated. I don’t think she has come out of this well at all.

Pollymollydolly · 01/10/2024 16:30

CheeseWisely · 01/10/2024 08:18

So the BBC investigated itself and found little to no fault with a big star of a big show? Oh well must be true then. As you were everyone.

He’s not a big BBC star. All the dancers are contacted year by year. There was another dancer where there was a complaint and he was sacked straight away - clearly there was evidence showing he was guilty of the behaviour he was accused of.

The professionals aren’t the stars of the show, look at other popular dancers who were axed because they got too big for their boots - Brendan and James come to mind. I really don’t believe the bbc would protect a dancer, strictly is bigger than any of the dancers, judges or presenters.

JenniferBooth · 01/10/2024 19:17

PonyPlaiter · 01/10/2024 08:17

Celebs who go on strictly probably expect to learn to dance, to be working hard and training for hours every day, but probably also expect for it to be at least a little bit fun and enjoyable. I’ve danced socially quite a lot in various styles including ballroom and competed at a low level. I would have loved to have a go on strictly. You might think you’d get someone who treats you with respect and can approach dance training in a cheerful way since the pros are being paid to do a job.

Imagine instead being verbally abused in a room with your dance partner because you can’t pick up the complex steps fast enough for them. Imagine being told you’re stupid, that it’s easy, why can’t you do it right. You can tell when someone dislikes and is impatient with you - imagine having to be in hold with that person, in close bodily contact with them while they’re angry with you because you can’t do something they find easy - because they’ve been doing it for 20 years. They might swing you into the turns with more force than is necessary, hold your hand tighter than they should. Plenty of ways to show someone you’re pissed off with them when you have the advantage of height, weight and strength. Imagine having to then go on telly with that person, having to pretend for the camera that everything is fine and you’re happy to be there and having a great time.

If you say anything you’ll be told “well this is what you signed up for” but you suspect other celebs aren’t having the same experience as you. Maybe they’re even enjoying it. Everything around strictly is built around pretending they’re all happy families and having the courage to shatter that illusion is huge.

If you tell me you’d put yourself in a position being trained by someone like the person I describe and not be affected by it I’ll call you a liar. And NO I don’t know what actually went on in that room but neither does anyone else simpering “oh poor Gio he didn’t do anything wrong, that nasty woman is just an attention seeking snowflake who couldn’t hack it”. I wouldn’t expect any woman to work in a hostile environment and neither should you handmaidens with your internalised misogyny.

still he’s physically attractive and he didn’t hit her so what the fuck is she complaining about really

Yeah i have a feeling if he wasnt conventionally attractive there wouldnt be half as many women sticking up for him. Thinking with their clits!

PonyPlaiter · 01/10/2024 20:13

Pollymollydolly · 01/10/2024 16:30

He’s not a big BBC star. All the dancers are contacted year by year. There was another dancer where there was a complaint and he was sacked straight away - clearly there was evidence showing he was guilty of the behaviour he was accused of.

The professionals aren’t the stars of the show, look at other popular dancers who were axed because they got too big for their boots - Brendan and James come to mind. I really don’t believe the bbc would protect a dancer, strictly is bigger than any of the dancers, judges or presenters.

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Brendan and James had to go when they got too old and unattractive. Let’s not pretend it was anything else.