India knight on smoking in times

[FluffyMummy123]

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Katie, you are not upsetting me.

I feel that you are dodging the issue, that you do not fully accept what your choice to smoke may mean to you in later life.

But that is not the same as you upsetting me.

You are an adult and as you say have the right to smoke. I feel that with that right comes the responsibiliyy (which you owe to your kids), to make that choice in the full knowlege of what smoking does.

I don't believe, for one nano-second, that if you were diagnosed with terminal cancer that you would have no regrets.

And no, I have never said you are like a heroin addict, I meary substited one lethal addictive drug for another. feel free to substitue alcohol if that makes you feel better.

I'm not getting angry, but you seem to be

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I'll look at your links, but passive smoking was 'proved' to kill people way back when the W.H.O first reported on it. That one was discredited and now there is too much at stake to be sure we're getting honest data from either side.

You only have to look around and you will see claims that if a non smoker visits you after visiting a smoker you can die from all the poisons carried on their clothes. It's become too hysterical to debate properly.

Hence the posts about which are disturbing in their hostility to smokers.

In fact I thought I'd link to this
race car disaster claims 77 lives
in case any of those so angry at smokers want to go spit on their graves. After all these racing drivers took chances with their lives with no consideration for anyone left behind and killed innocent people too. I'm sure some of the above posters must be furious with them.

I think smokers cannot fast forward into the future and imagine the effects in years to come. And because not ALL smokers die of smoking related diseases many smokers think they will dodge that bullet and die of something else. And a percentage of them will but smokers lie to themselves all the time ime.

I used to smoke and found it incredibly hard to give up (haven't smoked for 5 years now and sincerely hope I got away with it in health terms but accept that I may not have done, anything could come and bite me on the bum health wise from the years of smoking) but I didn't really think smoking was defensible. It isn't. It isn't pleasurable, smokers just tell themselves that because they need to justify putting a piece of paper containing rolled up leaves and chemicals into their mouths, setting fire to it and inhaling the smoke.

Smoking is stupid imo. However, I don't think smokers are stupid: they're addicted.

1 in 2 racing driver doesn't die as a result thogh, do they?

and the skydiver anaolgy would only hold water if 1 in 2 (3 if you take the most pro amoking stats) skydivers were hurtling to the ground.

If someone chose to do it under those circumstances I dare say people would be a little at their choice. Or their ability to rationally choose to take a risk that great. at the very least I would think that people would call them bloody fools.

Greyriverside, I don't understand your post. How was the WHO's report discredited?

Years ago on two occasions I was in hospital oppposite patients with emphysema.

The first one spent a harrowing two days struggling for breath and coughing. She died on the second night.
On another occasion I was in the bed nearest the loo and was moved to allow a lady with emphysema to have the spot. She was on oxygen 24/7 and could not even go to the toilet without trailing her oxygen line behind her. She had to sleep propped up in bed and the sound of her wheezing and gasping for breath kept me awake at night.

I used to smoke and previously had problems with giving up. Even starting again once after 6 months, idiot that I am.

After this second spell in hospital I stopped just like that.

I suffer from asthma and am all too aware of how utterly terrifying it is to be unable to get your breath during an attack. The thought of dying like this fills me with fear and dread scares the shit out of me.

agree with your last line 100%

Most smokers start under the age of 18 (when our ability to make reasoned choices is, at the most charable,) doubtful.

the majority of adult smokers want to stop.

It is a horrible, horrible drug

By the way, I watched my dad take his last breaths, aged 59, as he died from lung cancer in a High Dependency Unit. He missed his middle daughter's wedding (he was buried in the suit we'd paid for for him to wear at that wedding), he never met the other 4 grandchildren my sisters and I went on to have after his death, he wasn't here for my second wedding etc etc. And I know if he'd have had his time again he'd have chosen not to smoke. And yet, I carried on smoking for another TWO YEARs, even after seeing that. That's how powerful an addiction it is.

she likes boris johnson, enough said

I think it is up to smokers whether or not they smoke. They know the risks, if they enjoy it so much it is worthwhile, that is up to them. Though I wish I could perusade my sister to quit.

But smoking in restaurants and pubs is filthy. They are public spaces and the staff and other customers are breathing in the smokers' stink and fumes.

I went on a girls weekend away recently. There were 8 of us. 5 of us were outside smoking while the other 3 were inside clearing away main course plates and setting up pudding. And 1 of those inside had only quit recently. Age group 38 - 45. Thank god for my group of friends!!!

(BTW none of us ever smoke inside and we are all grateful for the smoking ban in pubs and caffs and restaurants,). We are part-time smokers .

I do not ever publically smell of nicotine<

Katie

Pmsl

Proof that smokers have no idea the effect their habit has on others.

Are you David Hockney, by any chance?

i smoke, it's bad for me i know. it's addictive. it's easy to gloat if you've never smoked. well done.

OK it's time someone unmasked India Knight as the smug, hypocritical irritant she really is.

She seems to have some sort of kudos on MN despite her regularly idiotic columns - the one where she claimed she "didn't believe" in a scientific study looking into the genetic factors impacting on obesity was a classic.

She didn't like it so she "didn't believe it" despite the fact that it was a verifiable scientific finding as opposed to her prejudice-dressed-up-as-thought rantings.

Oh yeah, and she didn't like the obesity study because she's selling a diet book and now she doesn't like the smoking ban because she's a smoker.

It's actually embarrassing.

I do feel a bit sorry for the smokers standing out in the cold, at the same time as I resent them for creating a tunnel of smoke for us to walk through. There probably needs to be a a generation of social pariahs, smoking in doorways, before people will truly realise that it is a mug's game to start smoking and the habit will die out.

IK believes what she wants to believe and bigs up stuff for her articles

smoking is nasty and stinky and kills you and other people around you

i do not feel sorry for smokers being outside in the cold

diddums

smokers are generally more interesting i've found though as people

rubbish

that's what they tell themselves SEA

southeastastra, I used to think that when I was still smoking, but now I think that's b*x

they're certainly more stupid

God I'd love a fag now.....