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India knight on smoking in times

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FluffyMummy123 · 20/04/2008 08:45

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SheikYerbouti · 20/04/2008 08:50

I am a reformed smoker

I like going into a pub and not coming out reeking. However, most pubs smell of bogs now, don't they?

yurt1 · 20/04/2008 08:50

link doesn't work.

She called us the marvellous SN board. Or something similar so I am not going to slag her off (but will read and judge).

FluffyMummy123 · 20/04/2008 08:50

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FluffyMummy123 · 20/04/2008 08:51

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Makingdo · 20/04/2008 08:52

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FluffyMummy123 · 20/04/2008 08:53

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SheikYerbouti · 20/04/2008 08:53

I had GF when I was in the hight of my university days.

Not drinking was agonising, especially when 19 years old and out every night of the week.

I feel your pain.

FluffyMummy123 · 20/04/2008 08:54

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Makingdo · 20/04/2008 08:58

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Greyriverside · 20/04/2008 09:05

This Article?

I disagree with her about restaurants. I never smoked when people were eating even before they made a law or in any situation (trains for example) where I was breathing in someone's face.

I agree with the right to smoke though. Or rather I don't think it's up to governments to interfere in the details of our lives.

This whole thing has gotten daft because getting pissed and throwing up on the dessert trolley is socially acceptable as long as the vomit doesn't smell of smoke. Like most good intentions it passed swiftly by common sense, detoured to avoid logic and flew straight on into obsession and superstition.

Judy1234 · 20/04/2008 10:03

I don't know if they'll print it but I did post a comment on the Times site, I was so surprised by her stance. Pubs and restaurants are great now. They used to smell terrible. It was almost unbearable to be in them. Now it's normal. The change was long over due and she should use it as a reason to give up smoking. how she can preach healthy living and write and sell a diet book and yet not be able to get through one meal without cigaretts just shows how addictive they are. As a responsible mother I don't know how she can justify smoking either.

As for the comment that restaurants now smell bad and people smell bad that is rubbish. Nothing smells as bad as cigarette smoke. Her clothes will smell. She will smell as a person. It will be difficult to sit near her. These smokers have no idea of the impact it has on them on so many levels.

FluffyMummy123 · 20/04/2008 10:23

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Libra1975 · 20/04/2008 11:00

Good god that article makes me speechless, I am an ex-smoker but even when I was smoking I supported the ban (of course I smoked in bars and resturants whilst I could!). As a now pregnant lady it's nice being able to go into bars knowing I won't be passive smoking and it's lovely leaving a pub knowing that your clothes aren't going to REEK of smoke. As for her assertion that her non-smoking friends are left twiddling their thumbs or staring into space whilst she goes outside for a smoke my social group is not chosen on the basis of whether they smoke or not and thus there is a mix so when the smokers go outside us happy non-smokers continue our conversation. (In fact in my group it is often nowadays the smoker who is solitary outside.)

To the assertion of having to go to other peoples houses for dinner etc well I don't allow smoking in my house anyway and that hasn't changed since the smoking ban, pre-ban if Ms Knight had come round I would still have made her stand outside as would most of my non-smoking friends. If she wants to smoke in her house that is up to her but to smoke in a house populated with non-smokers is just rude unless they give their permission (yes she should ask permission) I don't care if she is a grown up and can make her own choices, my house, my rules.

The social smokers comment is just ridiculous, so it's ok for them to give me cancer but not their children. I am sure social smokers children are very nice I am just not sure why there lives are more precious than mine and if they want to fill somewhere with smoke it should be their houses and not the pub.

Smoking in public has not been made illegal, smoking in certain public places has been made illegal.

Frankly if her social life has suffered because she is a smoker that just makes her a very sad person.

(btw I say all this with the disclamier I have yet to have my morning cup of tea and therefore rant mode is on high)

Fullmoonfiend · 20/04/2008 11:02

I am a smoker but I hate the idea of making other people bear my stench!
I smoke outside, and wash hands and everything. I hated semlling other peoples' smoke in restaurants etc. I don't even like following someone outside who is smoking.

Coddy, soerry about June thing but youwill lose weight and be all glowy and healthy

hercules1 · 20/04/2008 11:04

I think the ban is great. I am still surprised walking into pubs and restaurants at the lack of smell. I agree people who smoke really dont realise how much they smell no matter how many mints they consume.

VacantlyPretty · 20/04/2008 11:06

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Greyriverside · 20/04/2008 11:09

of course I smoked in bars and resturants whilst I could!>so it's ok for them to give me cancer

Upwind · 20/04/2008 11:18

"At one point during lunch half the restaurant got up and went outside while the other half sat about twiddling their thumbs and looking fed up - as well they might - and waiters stood around with plates of cooling food. If you smoke, cigarettes punctuate a meal: going without is like trying to speak without pauses. "

Rubbish - she was outside and just could not imagine everyone enjoying themselves in the restaraunt without the benefit of her presence.

Before the smoking ban, eating out in a restaurant was often ruined for non - smokers by the people beside them punctuating their meal with cigarettes. That means you can't taste your food properly and the meal is ruined.

unknownrebelbang · 20/04/2008 11:21

Being pissed and throwing up over the desert trolley should be outlawed too, grey.

Libra1975 · 20/04/2008 11:27

GRS, I am in favour of the law, people do tend to be inherently selfish, you are obv one of the nicer ones! I think most people need to be forced.

If you passive smoke whilst pregnant there is an increased risk of miscarriage and the baby being born underweight. The risk of a non-smoker getting lung cancer is 30% more if you live with a smoker (of course this is live with rather than just associate with in bars and resturants.)

I am not against smoking, I was recently asked by a smoker in his own house if I minded if he lit up (I am pregnant), as it was his house I replied that he should go ahead, another person then butted in (ha ha) to say that she objected if he smoked because I was pregnant!! This to me was totally out of order. his house, his rules.

Libra1975 · 20/04/2008 11:31

Sorry wanted to add these 2 links but pressed the wrong button!

www.bma.org.uk/ap.nsf/Content/humancosttobacco~UKpicture?OpenDocument&Highlight=2, passive,smoking

www.bma.org.uk/ap.nsf/Content/smokescreen~Health?OpenDocument&Highlight=2, passive,smoking

KatieScarlett2833 · 20/04/2008 11:36

Vacantly, a bit of a sweeping judgement on your ex-fellow nico-addicts? Surely not all smokers are boring, just as I'm sure all ex-smokers are not as judgey-von-holier-than-thou as you appeared on your last post.