Judge rules on twins existence

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BBC News - Family court judge rules on twins' existence
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cql8nz4nyp7o

I haven't seem a thread on this yet, so apologies if I've missed one.

A very peculiar case. I wonder what has driven the mother to such a drastic concealment.

I was working in A&E during covid and the scans where very limited if we suspected pe or dvt we would prescribe blood thinners and get them in for further tests on ward care as someone mentioned above a referral would have been noted on the gp records but it wasn’t which would indicate she went private or her records have been redacted I’m not sure if records can be deleted I would have to check tomorrow when I am back in surgery I doubt it also it’s against gmc ruling so anyone doing this could lose there licence

But if she can hide cancer treatment she can hide the pregnancy and birth.

I must have missed the bit where it went into detail the extent of the treatment or cancer. But it’s entirely likely that her husband had no clue what scaring (if any) there would be.

Plenty of people lie about getting cancer.

If the children exist, it’s more likely she gave birth abroad and left the kids abroad with her family, then returned to the UK alone.

Even the private Portland hospital couldn’t categorically state whether she was pregnant or the outcome of the pregnancy. I don’t think she gave birth there. If she did, it’s likely they would have given her some medication even if that is pain relief for labour. I find it striking that there’s no record of that or even of a private birth being arranged. I’m guessing they’d need to have conversations to book her in, multiple staff members present to deliver the child and take care of mother/babies. A twin birth is surely remarkable enough for someone who works there to remember. but nope, absolutely no evidence.

I didnt say she had definatley faked cancer.

But it was remarked there was no record of her cancer treatment.

To my mind that shows she ether is lying about having cancer or has a a very robust way to hide medical history. So I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility that she could have hid a pregnancy.

I dont think i am unusually fixed on her. What makes you say that? Because I have talked more about her. There is far more about her in the judgement. I even said more than once that he was abusive. Or is just simply I have different opinion to you?

There's clear indications that she is giving misleading reports. She said a nephew has moved to dubai with his parents but other witnesses seemed surprised to be told that, despite knowing them well.

The witnesses do switch sides, but I don't think that's proof for or against the man or woman in this case. But who in their right mind has conversations with a man about non existent kids, pretending they exist because their female relative has told them to?

If the child has been in the care of her brothers why would there be cctv? And where would the exhusband retrieve that from? How would he get hold of her receipts? This case isn't investigative, as it says in the judgment. They are looking at the evidence presented. So maybe we did read different judgments as it was made clear the judge wasn't instructing anyone to to do further investigation into her.

If the exhusband had footage of her out and about, access to CCTV in shops and public areas and access to her receipts, that would be even more cause for concern.

The thing us, non of us know. Our opinions are different. We could both be wrong, on right on certain bits and wrong on others.

@Hectorscalling the judge has not said she has faked having cancer though. Where have you got that from? It’s a weird leap.

I don’t think she has faked having cancer nor did she “hide” treatment. The answer is as simple as getting private medical care. Private medical providers do not report to the NHS. That is not the same as “hiding” medical history. A lot of people undertake private medical care, that won’t show on NHS records. I’m sure this was discussed in the judgement.

the judgement also covers that the claimant himself brought up her cancer scars, so he’s definitely clued up on what those look like! His argument was the GP deleted this information from her records. This was disproven, the GP was a witness. Plus, the NHS has audited records, there would be a record of any amendments and the original notes. There was no evidence of anything being “hidden”.

Even if she gave birth in the Portland would a sick baby with cardiac issues in an incubator not be shipped out to an nhs facility? They certainly didn’t or don’t have an adult ICU. Do they have a NICU?

But what would those further tests be? The only further tests afaik are a ctpa or vq scan. Both of which would pick the top of the abdomen up.

dd wasn’t even admitted even with multiple bilateral PEs and symptomatic. Blood test, ct scan, clot confirmed and drugs prescribed. In and out in under 3 hours 🙈. An hour of that was waiting for triage.

Yes I work in a private hospital in the event of any emergency the patient has to be taken to a NHS A&E facility if one of the children was taken for observations we do have a specialist care unit for when babies are born who need extra attention but not for emergency care. The judgement mentions she had a c section scar which means the birth would have been planned

I haven't said the judge said she faked cancer.

It was remarked in the judgement there was no record of the cancer treatment.

It not a weird leap at all. if someone doesnt have record of their treatment, then they either lied about it or it shows they know how to keep their medical treatment seperate.

If she knows how to keep her medical history separate, then she could have easily hid the birth.

She was clearly trying to conceal records that The Portland had on her.

The exhusband mentioned her cancer scars? But again, how would he definitively know? again i am not saying she lied. She inall porbability did have cancer. But this proves she knows how to keep records seperate. And yes, he said he felt the records had been deleted which is ridiculous. Because she didn't need to be able to do that And doing it would be immensely difficult-

You are so convinced the child couldn't possibly exist and yet the judge thinks there probably is a child. Despite reading the judgement.

I think he is abusive, I think her family probably are. I think she is lying and traumatised and I think he is lying. But I think there's a strong possibility that there is a child.

Again, it's OK for us to just have different opinions.

The portland does have a NICU but unsure what level

Wow I do feel Portland have a lot more which they haven't disclosed I keep thinking the part the respondent calls the Portland to have her records deleted if she was faking a pregnancy she would not have called the Portland and had this conversation and what's even strange is the Portland made no notes until 2 months after the call 🤔

I think your view is valid allot of lies have been told in this case ultimately a child is involved and we need to weigh up if the mother is doing this to protect her child? I'm a law abiding citizen but if I had to lie to save my daughters or grandchildren I would for them but that doesn't make me a terrible person! now this is public knowledge we should and I hope we do get more information on this I'm very intrigued and would love to hear from both especially the respondents side

Absolutely. I don’t judge her. I don’t know her and he sounds like a dick and her family sound controlling. And if that’s the case she likely has trauma and all sorts going on.

It may not have even been her choice to conceal the child. But I do think there is one and I think there’s lies (even if there’s justification on her side) on all sides.

It’s an awful situation whether there is a child or isn’t a child.

Husband is clearly hideously abusive and is using the courts to continue controlling her.

I think it's likely she had at least one baby.
Also seems likely that her brother has the child/ren in Dubai.

Thanks for that @MrsBrightsidde. I've stumbled on this thread and now I have to read this

While it's nowhere near the same, I had spinal surgery as an infant on the NHS, and there doesn't seem to be a record of it anywhere. It didn't really cause any issues until after my parents died, and then as they couldn't provide details, my records had to be checked... and I don't think any trace could be found. it's meant before other surgeries, and when I was a pregnant, I've had to seen a consultant who looks at the scar placement, condition of my spine and sometimes does scans, and uses that to figure out what the likely surgery was. I have no idea why there's no records.