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User135644 · 25/07/2024 11:57

honestyISkind · 25/07/2024 11:52

Since when do clueless entitled twits whine at criminal thugs getting exactly what they deserve.

The country has gone so soft.

When I was young nobody fucked with the police. Plenty of countries now people don't.

cupcaske123 · 25/07/2024 11:57

honestyISkind · 25/07/2024 11:52

Since when do clueless entitled twits whine at criminal thugs getting exactly what they deserve.

What the 'thugs' deserve is justice meted out in the courts. That's what happens in civilised countries. Kicking and stamping on someone's head could result in permanent damage.

Sarvanga24 · 25/07/2024 11:57

honestyISkind · 25/07/2024 11:56

Actually, it is ok. Perfectly acceptable normal human reaction to being assaulted by a thug.

They won't lose their jobs. No chance.

Thankfully, I would have every expectation that you're wrong and he will lose his job.

The low level of intelligence and critical thinking displayed by some on this thread really is mind-boggling.

honestyISkind · 25/07/2024 11:57

reesewithoutaspoon · 25/07/2024 11:55

The police aren't there to dispense retribution, that's what the courts and prison are for.
They neutralised the threat, he was face down on the floor.
I get that they might have been angry, but that doesn't give them the right to kick someone's head in when they are no longer a threat. It's not that police officers job to dispense retribution.and I don't want to see police officers who think they have that right

No, you absolutely don't get it. Not even close to knowing how a person reacts when assaulted by a criminal thug.

The criminals got what they deserved.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 25/07/2024 11:58

honestyISkind · 25/07/2024 11:56

Actually, it is ok. Perfectly acceptable normal human reaction to being assaulted by a thug.

They won't lose their jobs. No chance.

I hope they don’t lose their jobs.

honestyISkind · 25/07/2024 11:58

Sarvanga24 · 25/07/2024 11:57

Thankfully, I would have every expectation that you're wrong and he will lose his job.

The low level of intelligence and critical thinking displayed by some on this thread really is mind-boggling.

Ad hominem slurs prove you've lost the argument.

They very definitely won't lose their jobs.

taylorswift1989 · 25/07/2024 12:00

honestyISkind · 25/07/2024 11:38

People who whine about criminals being hurty wurted deserve to experience exactly what the victims did - in this case the police were assaulted. If this happened to you you'd be homicidal.

The criminals got what they deserved.

That's not how the justice system in this country works. The police are not there to decide and deliver punishment. That is for a judge and jury. The police are there to apprehend and arrest the criminal - a brave role, for sure, and one in which you are required to keep calm at all times. This officer - being "homicidal" as you put it yourself - has gone way beyond the requirements of his role and committed a criminal act.

Ottervision · 25/07/2024 12:02

honestyISkind · 25/07/2024 11:49

Jackanory would love to hear more.

And I didn't say I would be homicidal I said the whiny entitled OP would. She'd scream blue murder at a slap and like all privileged twits second guesses everyone while utterly clueless.

The criminals got what they deserve.

Most normal people's response to being assaulted is shock. Unable to move, sheer shock. It is not homicide or beating the shit out of someone.

Sarvanga24 · 25/07/2024 12:03

honestyISkind · 25/07/2024 11:58

Ad hominem slurs prove you've lost the argument.

They very definitely won't lose their jobs.

Why are you even talking about 'they', as in plural officers who may lose their jobs? There is only one officer here who has been filmed displaying completely unnecessary and disproportionate force. He undoubtedly should lose his job.

honestyISkind · 25/07/2024 12:04

Right, got things to do, so I'll leave you to second guess, whine and point trembling fingers.

How incredibly privileged some of you are. You haven't the tiniest idea of what the police experienced, how someone reacts to a life threatening criminal thug assaulting them.

Disgraceful, I'll informed treacherous betrayal of people who risk their lives for you.

Anyone who thinks this was excessive had best hope you never actually experience the reality of why you're wrong.

reesewithoutaspoon · 25/07/2024 12:05

honestyISkind · 25/07/2024 11:57

No, you absolutely don't get it. Not even close to knowing how a person reacts when assaulted by a criminal thug.

The criminals got what they deserved.

Whether they deserved it or not, is not for individual officers to decide.
There has to be an expectation that the police maintain control and not let their emotions rule them.
I worked as a nurse, we get assaulted, would it be okay to punch a patient? After all, they started it. They would only be getting what they deserve. Or would you expect me to remain professional and handle the situation without resorting to violence

PuttingDownRoots · 25/07/2024 12:07

I find the thought of people thinking that the police should be allowed to beat up suspects terrifying.

Force to subdue someone? Yes
Kicking a handcuffed person the floor? No.
Where would it end? Shooting him on the leg perhaps?

Icantpaint · 25/07/2024 12:13

Ottervision · 25/07/2024 10:40

But it doesn't matter what happened before. He was already on the ground.

This

use whatever force is required to prevent on offender hurting people and to subdue and detain him. Then do not use excess force once he’s neutralised. This looked to be excessive after he’s been made safe.

User135644 · 25/07/2024 12:14

cupcaske123 · 25/07/2024 11:57

What the 'thugs' deserve is justice meted out in the courts. That's what happens in civilised countries. Kicking and stamping on someone's head could result in permanent damage.

So no justice then, as our courts are notoriously soft. There needs to be deterrents for violent criminals, force is all they respect.

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 25/07/2024 12:15

honestyISkind · 25/07/2024 12:04

Right, got things to do, so I'll leave you to second guess, whine and point trembling fingers.

How incredibly privileged some of you are. You haven't the tiniest idea of what the police experienced, how someone reacts to a life threatening criminal thug assaulting them.

Disgraceful, I'll informed treacherous betrayal of people who risk their lives for you.

Anyone who thinks this was excessive had best hope you never actually experience the reality of why you're wrong.

Assaulting them? Yes. During the assault? Yes.

The officer kicking the man in the head , wasn't being assaulted at the time(if he was at all ) though, was he? The man was lying flat, face down on the floor, arms still near him. That's when he got kicked twice in the head. How is that justifiable?

Ottervision · 25/07/2024 12:16

User135644 · 25/07/2024 12:14

So no justice then, as our courts are notoriously soft. There needs to be deterrents for violent criminals, force is all they respect.

So then the courts need to change. Reciprocal violence isn't the answer.

cupcaske123 · 25/07/2024 12:18

User135644 · 25/07/2024 12:14

So no justice then, as our courts are notoriously soft. There needs to be deterrents for violent criminals, force is all they respect.

You should move to the States, they compress your neck and kill you or shoot you for not being deferential enough. It doesn't matter to them whether you're innocent or guilty, they'll shoot you regardless. Bon voyage.

Longma · 25/07/2024 12:19

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kerstina · 25/07/2024 12:21

If people have a bit of sympathy for the police officer losing his cool . It is because I think people are getting so fed up of continuous anti social violent behaviour especially when it is aimed at people who are trying to protect us . FFS no one will want to do the job the way it’s going.

Sarvanga24 · 25/07/2024 12:25

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Indeed, made even worse by the hefty reinforced boots the officer will have been wearing.

It is just such a mindset that anyone would ever kick someone in the head or stamp on someone's head. Shows an utter lack of control and judgement that has no place in his role.

MrTiddlesTheCat · 25/07/2024 12:37

It's the job of the police to uphold justice not dish out vengence. This was an act of vengence. It has no place in a civilised justice system.

Namechange666 · 25/07/2024 12:39

I'm not advocating violence but our police force needs to be tougher to deal with brutes sometimes. There is very little deterrence and a lot of people know that. That's why they act up. Because they can.

Look at what happened in Leeds last week. Police couldn't do anything and were outnumbered.

Perhaps not a good thing kicking someone in head on floor but after reading context of how he assaulted police officers, he deserved it.

I'm usually a softie and I hate violence but we need the police to be allowed to stand up to thugs. We need them to be able to protect themselves and us.

Inlaw · 25/07/2024 12:41

He obviously shouldn’t have kicked him in the head. But to call this racism and have groups of men holding a police station hostage in the middle of the night last night demanding release of the people arrested for hospitalising three officers (after the police officer had already been suspended). Honestly what on earth is going on in this country. It’s pure chaos at the moment.

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 25/07/2024 12:41

kerstina · 25/07/2024 12:21

If people have a bit of sympathy for the police officer losing his cool . It is because I think people are getting so fed up of continuous anti social violent behaviour especially when it is aimed at people who are trying to protect us . FFS no one will want to do the job the way it’s going.

It's not ok to lose your cool to that point. It simply isn't. What if this was an autistic teenager instead ? You know.. it happens. How far are you willing to go to excuse police violence with "lost his/hers cool"?

If you can't do the job without becoming an aggressive thug yourself kicking people aggressively (not defensively) then you either need help , or a different job.

taxguru · 25/07/2024 12:43

honestyISkind · 25/07/2024 11:57

No, you absolutely don't get it. Not even close to knowing how a person reacts when assaulted by a criminal thug.

The criminals got what they deserved.

Police are trained professionals NOT to act like thugs with a neutralised offender.

I don't give a toss what went on before. We're supposed to be a civilised society and the last thing we want are armed police who can't control their aggression!

I'm sure the officer in question will be more suited to his new job as a nightclub bouncer!

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