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EasterIssland · 28/07/2024 11:14

User135644 · 28/07/2024 11:11

Spanish police are tough and have a reputation. Nobody would start fights with armed police officers there at airports (or in any other country) It's considered fair game in the UK because the police have got so weak.

They’ve 0 reputation in Spain. In fact they have bad press for many of the things they’ve done that were against the law

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Couldentgiveafuck · 28/07/2024 11:19

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MrsSkylerWhite · 28/07/2024 11:27

Couldentgiveafuck · Today 11:19
Try watching the video before that happened.Thepiece of vile shite batters fuck out of the coppers before the hero officer stamps of the disrespectful cunt.The officer deserves a medal.Anyone who sides with these vile criminals deserves a beating to.you are a disgrace to your own country and policing.I hope these vile cunts give you kiss arses the same beating he gave our coppers”

You need help.

TryingToSeeTheFunnySide · 28/07/2024 11:31

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Very unpleasant post. Very unpleasant language. You do know using the c-word is misogynistic right?
Anyway, aside from all that, I think you're misunderstanding posters here, or certainly me anyway.
Of course I condemn the violence of those men towards the police. It's not about taking sides. That's very binary thinking. I oppose all violence. I'm a pacifist.
But, the police are trained professionals. They have a duty to arrest criminals of course. That's what everyone wants I presume. But, that doesn't give them a right to use unnecessary violence. The violence was totally unnecessary, and served no purpose. That's a line that was crossed that shouldn't have been.
It's an abuse of power. That's the point.

Sirzy · 28/07/2024 11:35

TryingToSeeTheFunnySide · 28/07/2024 11:31

Very unpleasant post. Very unpleasant language. You do know using the c-word is misogynistic right?
Anyway, aside from all that, I think you're misunderstanding posters here, or certainly me anyway.
Of course I condemn the violence of those men towards the police. It's not about taking sides. That's very binary thinking. I oppose all violence. I'm a pacifist.
But, the police are trained professionals. They have a duty to arrest criminals of course. That's what everyone wants I presume. But, that doesn't give them a right to use unnecessary violence. The violence was totally unnecessary, and served no purpose. That's a line that was crossed that shouldn't have been.
It's an abuse of power. That's the point.

Exactly. Some people seem to be unable to see that there is wrong on both sides.

It’s worrying how willing people are to accept police brutality and officers losing control during the course of their work.

MrsSkylerWhite · 28/07/2024 11:46

Sirzy
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Exactly. Some people seem to be unable to see that there is wrong on both sides.
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It’s worrying how willing people are to accept police brutality and officers losing control during the course of their work.

This. It’s a slippery slope. We really don’t want to revert to the policing of the 1970s.

IClaudine · 28/07/2024 11:46

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Police should have the self discipline not to stamp on a perpetrators' head regardless of how vile that perpetrator is.

That officer's moment of gross stupidity means there is now the possibility of compensation for that violent criminal. Plus the incident has stirred up unrest. He should be sacked.

EasternStandard · 28/07/2024 11:48

Sirzy · 28/07/2024 11:35

Exactly. Some people seem to be unable to see that there is wrong on both sides.

It’s worrying how willing people are to accept police brutality and officers losing control during the course of their work.

I find the level of brutality the officers faced during the course of their work more worrying

As has been said we are one of the countries where it doesn’t lead to the attackers’ fatality

SaltySpicy · 28/07/2024 11:50

People advocating for police brutality must not know or care that this leads to criminals getting away with crimes. Justice can’t be served. Convictions are unsafe and society as a whole is less safe.

TryingToSeeTheFunnySide · 28/07/2024 11:53

MrsSkylerWhite · 28/07/2024 11:46

Sirzy
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Exactly. Some people seem to be unable to see that there is wrong on both sides.
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It’s worrying how willing people are to accept police brutality and officers losing control during the course of their work.

This. It’s a slippery slope. We really don’t want to revert to the policing of the 1970s.

Indeed. An elderly woman I know was married to a policeman back in those dark days. She said he would come home openly admitting to planting drugs on black men to frame them. He and his colleagues thought this was hilarious, and did it with impunity. Also a terrible culture of misogyny.
I'm pleased to say she had the moral courage to divorce him.
Obviously our police have much higher standards now. I'm decades younger than said woman, and have not known quite such horrific standards to be seen as OK in my lifetime. I really don't want our society to go back in time in that regard.

MrsSkylerWhite · 28/07/2024 11:54

EasternStandard
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I find the level of brutality the officers faced during the course of their work more worrying.

Both are equally disturbing.

Couldentgiveafuck · 28/07/2024 12:04

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MrsSkylerWhite · 28/07/2024 12:05

Again, you need help. Reported.

EasternStandard · 28/07/2024 12:05

MrsSkylerWhite · 28/07/2024 11:54

EasternStandard
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I find the level of brutality the officers faced during the course of their work more worrying.

Both are equally disturbing.

To you and it’s only half my post

As has been said we are one of the countries where it doesn’t lead to the attackers’ fatality

My second thought is they are lucky to be in the U.K. with that brutal attack on officers

SummerSnowstorm · 28/07/2024 12:08

EasterIssland · 25/07/2024 13:47

Do you know exactly what caused the problem and why the police have to attend ? Seems like you’re apologising polices actions.

many go shopping every day yet , George Floyd was killed by a police officer who is in prison now. There is no need to kick someone’s head to make sure they were properly subsued

I guess those justifying it have missed the news that racism played a big part on what happened.

What news that racism played a part of it?
Do you think if a white person violently punched a female colleague in the face repeatedly, hit another to the ground, then got the male in a chokehold after he's been repeatedly punched in the head too, then the police wouldn't act the same?

If you assault someone to that level, police or not, then they aren't going to be physically capable of reacting calmly. No amount of training can stop someone going into fight or flight when someone is trying to kill them.

Calling racism in situations like this does a disservice to people who actually experience racism, we do not want calling out racism to become associated with lies as an excuse for disgusting behaviour.

User135644 · 28/07/2024 12:17

MrsSkylerWhite · 28/07/2024 11:46

Sirzy
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Exactly. Some people seem to be unable to see that there is wrong on both sides.
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It’s worrying how willing people are to accept police brutality and officers losing control during the course of their work.

This. It’s a slippery slope. We really don’t want to revert to the policing of the 1970s.

The thing is you need a balance, but i'd rather the 70s/Thatcher era approach than letting criminals do what they want and a culture of people knowing their rights but without responsibilities. The social order has been lost.

Assaulting police officers should never be tolerated.

Newbutoldfather · 28/07/2024 13:22

Criminals, by definition, commit crime. That means they are, in general, not very nice and have less control than the general population.

Police are meant to be a professional force. This means that they shouldn’t commit crime. They are given help here by training, defensive armour and an array of weapons, as well as being able to call for assistance.

Kicking someone’s head is a crime. It really cannot be argued that it is the minimum force necessary to restrain someone. Heads are delicate and, once the brain is damaged, it doesn’t repair well. It is easy to kill someone by kicking them in the head.

I really hope the above isn’t too complex or controversial for some who hanker after the days when police could get away with giving someone a good kicking.

There is zero excuse for a policeman to kick or stamp on someone’s head-ever. And, as police are meant to help uphold the law, they should be punished at least as harshly as a civilian if they break it.

EasternStandard · 28/07/2024 13:27

Newbutoldfather · 28/07/2024 13:22

Criminals, by definition, commit crime. That means they are, in general, not very nice and have less control than the general population.

Police are meant to be a professional force. This means that they shouldn’t commit crime. They are given help here by training, defensive armour and an array of weapons, as well as being able to call for assistance.

Kicking someone’s head is a crime. It really cannot be argued that it is the minimum force necessary to restrain someone. Heads are delicate and, once the brain is damaged, it doesn’t repair well. It is easy to kill someone by kicking them in the head.

I really hope the above isn’t too complex or controversial for some who hanker after the days when police could get away with giving someone a good kicking.

There is zero excuse for a policeman to kick or stamp on someone’s head-ever. And, as police are meant to help uphold the law, they should be punished at least as harshly as a civilian if they break it.

I look at this type of post and consider the outcome in the U.K. v many other countries where it would likely be fatal outcome

Those thugs were extremely violent when attacking the police

TryingToSeeTheFunnySide · 28/07/2024 13:39

EasternStandard · 28/07/2024 13:27

I look at this type of post and consider the outcome in the U.K. v many other countries where it would likely be fatal outcome

Those thugs were extremely violent when attacking the police

The police were extremely violent too. The fact that it may have ended in fatalities in other countries doesn't erase the fact of police violence in this case.
The police behaved in a totally unacceptable and punitive manner here. Shameful.

EasternStandard · 28/07/2024 13:48

TryingToSeeTheFunnySide · 28/07/2024 13:39

The police were extremely violent too. The fact that it may have ended in fatalities in other countries doesn't erase the fact of police violence in this case.
The police behaved in a totally unacceptable and punitive manner here. Shameful.

I think it’s shameful to ignore the brutality the officers faced

NeverDropYourMooncup · 28/07/2024 13:57

MrsSkylerWhite · 26/07/2024 10:19

Longma · Yesterday 12:45
How incredibly privileged some of you are. You haven't the tiniest idea of what the police experienced, how someone reacts to a life threatening criminal thug assaulting them.”

Please explain how the officer’s life was at threat. The “criminal thug”, who incidentally has no criminal history, had been tasered and was lying on the floor, not moving, his elderly mother leaning over him. The officer ran at him to kick him then stamp on his head. In his loss of control he could very easily have injured the lady.

I am broadly supportive of the police, I’ve posted in praise of their bravery before but this assault was appalling. There is no justification for the officer’s behaviour.

With the new video, he may not have had a criminal conviction previously, but he definitely committed a number of criminal offences immediately beforehand and would have continued to do so had he not been incapacitated a split second before the particular copper turned back/got up.

TryingToSeeTheFunnySide · 28/07/2024 14:13

EasternStandard · 28/07/2024 13:48

I think it’s shameful to ignore the brutality the officers faced

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I haven't done anything of the kind.
In previous posts I made it very clear that I condemn the violence on both sides. I think most of the posters here criticising the police here, are also condemning the violence on both sides.

SilverCatStripes · 28/07/2024 14:24

Some of you are just using this as confirmation for your own bias that the police are awful without looking at the context of the situation- I posted this on another thread, but I think it’s just as relevant here

That officer had just been beaten and strangled, to the point he lost consciousness, he needed to make damn sure that they weren’t going to take his weapons from him whilst minimising risk to the public, he acted entirely within reason in the situation.

Anyone thinking that this is about a power trip needs to look at situation as a whole - the police had gone in to calm the situation and were very badly assaulted, they needed to protect the public as well as themselves- the men kicking off were being extremely brutally violent , they needed subduing in a way that kept the public and the police safe first.

Couldentgiveafuck · 28/07/2024 14:48

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Sirzy · 28/07/2024 15:16

SilverCatStripes · 28/07/2024 14:24

Some of you are just using this as confirmation for your own bias that the police are awful without looking at the context of the situation- I posted this on another thread, but I think it’s just as relevant here

That officer had just been beaten and strangled, to the point he lost consciousness, he needed to make damn sure that they weren’t going to take his weapons from him whilst minimising risk to the public, he acted entirely within reason in the situation.

Anyone thinking that this is about a power trip needs to look at situation as a whole - the police had gone in to calm the situation and were very badly assaulted, they needed to protect the public as well as themselves- the men kicking off were being extremely brutally violent , they needed subduing in a way that kept the public and the police safe first.

I have no bias against the police at all. He was on the ground, there was no need to stamp on him to protect anyone. Get the handcuffs on ans defuse the situation don’t make it even worse.