Three woman murdered in Hertfordshire.

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Absolutely shocking. A 26 year old man named as Kyle Clifford, believed to be armed with a crossbow, is being sought by police.
The dead women are aged 61, 28 and 25.

Those poor women must have been terrified in their final moments. My heart goes out to John and family and their friends. This is just awful. 😢

I saw a chilling video of the killer walking back to his car with the crossbow wrapped under his arm. I hope he gets a rough time in prison.

I don't think it's possible to decouple mourning femicide victims from discussing femicide. Even with no NAMALTers, we'd still discuss male pattern violence because the thread is about victims of male pattern violence.

That's a bit of a sweeping generalisation???

Indeed @Prawncow

I told this story of the Neil Gaiman thread (it's one bloody misogynist violent man after another at the moment). I used to work with a perfectly pleasant man; in fact, I'd have thought of him as fairly gentle & easy-going. A good colleague.

He suddenly disappeared, and his computer was whisked away. We were told he would not be returning but given no other information - unusual in my workplace where jobs are hard fought for & people don't just up & leave with no notice.

Two years later, I saw the newspaper report: he'd been convicted of rape (underage girl in nasty awful circumstances) and child pornography. He was a paedophile; he looked and acted as a normal person in the workplace.

It really is that ordinary and that horrible.

What has happened is horrendous but this thread is batshit.

No it's right. Men as a class of people are fucking awful. There are lots of lovely men within that but as a class they are fucking awful. Responsible for the vast majority of the world's woes.

Yes. It's really sad, but true.

This. The perpetrator's suicide is a final "fuck you" to deny his victim's family justice.

I dont think it can be decoupled either. Any more than you can discuss school shootings without mentioning guns.

I don’t post very often but I am truly sickened by some of the posts on here, This is a truly dreadful event but no good comes from class blame. By far the overwhelming majority of men are decent caring and considerate people. The only way we can ever root out those who are not is to accept this truth.

That's after sending a chill down my spine because I'm sure you're right

We don't know the victims personally so we are not here to remember them, surely? It's also about avoiding more of this so NAMALT must be challenged.

absolutely well said

I think you misunderstood my post - sorry, I should have been clearer. My point is that when a man goes missing, nobody expects to hear that he's been killed by a woman. When a woman goes missing, one of the first fears people have is that a man has killed her.

Strong disagree

We start to root out male violence by naming it what it is.

Clearly the statistics support that male violence against women is a serious problem in the UK.

Its fine to call men out on this.

The truly decent men recognise they're not personally being called out but that a problem is being named.

The lack of recognition and acceptance of "class blame" is a root part of the reason women keep being murdered by men known to them at a rate that has not decreased in the last 50 years.

Ask men to stop being violent. Don't ask women to stop talking about it.

The statistics show that there’s clearly an issue with men and violence against women.

Shrieking that not all men are the problem isn’t going to ‘root out’ shit.

All men, even the decent ones, benefit from male violence against women. Mechanism explained here.

I quite agree that there is a problem with male violence against women but it is simply wrong to blame the male sex in general. Imagine stereotyping on a racial basis. All this leaves me feeling quite sorry for the huge majority of perfectly lovely men.

Some men ARE like that and that's the f**king problem!

That's your take on this tragedy?! Ffs

Weird.

Its the women in cases such as these that I truly feel sorry for.

By far the overwhelming majority of men are decent caring and considerate people

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/a-third-of-male-university-students-say-they-would-rape-a-woman-if-there-no-were-no-consequences-9978052.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/world/child-sex-abuse-men-australia-b2450369.html

In which case you have no business on this thread as being a victim of a crime like this is infinitely worse than ‘feeling picked on by women for being male’ and that’s where your sympathies should be