Three woman murdered in Hertfordshire.

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Absolutely shocking. A 26 year old man named as Kyle Clifford, believed to be armed with a crossbow, is being sought by police.
The dead women are aged 61, 28 and 25.

Those poor poor women.

Was apparently stretchered out of the cemetery, no doubt trying to take the cowards way out.

I hope he suffers in prison POS.

Also just read about the brother, Christ imagine two of your children turning out to be MURDERERS!? Wtf!?

When will this shit stop!? When will things change!? 😭

I hope you're right but I watched this series a while back, fucking depressing https://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-jury-murder-trial

People like to shoot them and longbows competitively as a hobby. We don't see women going around shooting people, do we?

After Dunblane, it was assumed that pistols were the problem and Parliament voted to outlaw their possession. So then men started using corrosives and shotguns and knives and crossbows. Acids were made harder to obtain, so men took to using drain unblocker, a powerful alkali.

The actual problem is men.

What are the chances of him claiming temporary (or full) insanity I wonder?

You know, the guilty by reason of insanity verdict that sends him to the likes of Broadmoor. I do realise that it is difficult to prove and requires psychiatric assessment, but my main question is - does a whole of life tariff apply? Maybe it does if you look at the Moors case.

I was just thinking about this and not advocating it as a defence.

After a short stint, apparently.

Sometimes, especially in situations like this, its better to not say anything or at least think really carefully about what you say..

Rather than feeling unfairly criticised I think it's important that you learn from this feedback and never say anything to that effect to anyone in real life who is going through something similar to this.

Pretty much nil. The fact he took the crossbow is proof enough for intent. If you’re insane you’d go over and use a kitchen knife or something already there.

I’m sure he’ll try it but the defence should be able to clear that very quickly.

There is not one crumb of comfort to be found in this. Three women's lives have been ended, in the most horrific way I have heard of in some time.

It seems that the perpetrator carefully planned this to cause maximum pain. Please direct all anger at him. I hope he recovers from his injuries and suffers whilst recovering, then faces justice.

Yes, men are the problem.
They go bad much more frequently & easily than women do. When they go bad they cause much more damage.

So they HAVE found him now for sure. Alive I think. Sorry if someone has already stated this.

Mothers don't leave their children's father for no reason. If she ended it, it will have been for good cause. If he ended it, that's on him.

Absent and weak fathers are not women's fault.

Agreed. I'll never get over the thread on here recently where a grandmother was punched in the stomach by her teenage grandson and several posters told her to apologise to him...and buy him a birthday present (she was questioning what to do about the birthday). Extremely worrying replies.

"Being around death and destruction in the army is bound to mess your head a bit"

Alternatively, someone who opts for a job that involves killing people is messed up to begin with.
Yes, all those with army friends and family will be up in arms about what I just wrote.

I want him saved.

I want him to spend the rest of his life in prison.

A quick death is not what he deserves.

I want him to live the rest of his life alone, miserable and scared shitless about being attacked by fellow inmates.

I want him to feel some semblance of the fear he inflicted on his three victims every single minute for the rest of his existence.

I want him to never experience any joy or even contentment for the rest of his life.

I want him to get no pleasure from anything. Reading, watching television, playing a board game. Anything.

I want him to be fed shit flavoured protein shakes to meet his nutritional needs.

I want him medicated so he can't get an erection and wank off ever again.

I want him to live a long life devoid of hope, calm and peace and abundant in fear, anxiety and intense distress.

RIP Carol, Hannah and Louise

My sympathies to John and his surviving daughter x

Exactly so.
Doubt this would be a comfort to the Women’s remaining family.

He won't get a "light" sentence. He'll get three life sentences, and he might well get a whole life order.

It won't bring those poor women back though. The agony they must have gone through in their last moments makes me feel genuinely sick.

Do you have anything to say about the 3 women? Any sympathy for them?

Come back to me when women are putting men in hospital beds and coffins.

We are talking about violence and murder on this thread, not verbal and other non-physical abuse. The distinction does matter under some circumstances, and this femicide is one of them.

This I'm afraid.

Once a person has deliberately inflicted death and suffering on this scale, they have forfeited their right to any sort of life of their own. He needs to be put away where he can never harm anyone again, and the rest of us can forget about him.

@RebelMoon and anyone else saying all men are awful-

@NigelHarmansNewWife and others have it right. Blaming all men in general has no place in a post where a man's family has just been killed.

On the other hand, tying this horrible attack and murders to DV & the dangers when leaving an abusive relationship is helpful and potentially lifesaving information for women.

This in fucking SPADES.

Men need to be allies. But far too often they are complicit. It's not enough to pay lip service to equality when it benefits so many men to enjoy the status quo. Not nearly enough men stepped up to condemn Andrew Tate. I'm sick of it and I know my daughter and her friends are MORE than sick of it too.

These poor women. I cannot imagine how horrendous their last moments must have been. One of the victim's final tweets seemed to hint at escaping a toxic relationship.

I knew a guy who murdered his step-child. He seemed to be a lovely, chilled man. And he was to everyone he worked with. I remember having a nice evening out drinking with him and my then boyfriend. A few weeks later he killed a four year old little girl.

Monsters rarely appear as monsters, and even when they do, very little is done to protect women. This guy had assaulted the younger sister and they whole family had been monitored for two fucking years. He got ten years. TEN YEARS. For starving and murdering a child. Even the fucking judges aren't our allies.

People do this, men mostly, knowing the consequences. It was clearly planned, and he will have known he would be spending the rest of his life in prison, but the desire to take some sort of revenge and kill these people has over-ridden any fear of the consequences he faces. So sad.

This one has really got me. A long time ago as teenagers, my sister dumped a boyfriend who then stalked our family.
What do we do?
No one dates men from now on? Abort male babies? It is fucking relentless. Worlds destroyed by male violence, over and over and over again. I'm so angry and upset. The poor, poor women.

It's so common for men to kill their children and the children's mother that there's a technical term for it: family annihilation.

I can't find the NAMALT thread (please point me in its direction), so i'll post it here:

There's three women alive today who won't exist in a week's time.

And there’s three men who the Namalt-ers will appease and diminish.