Three woman murdered in Hertfordshire.

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Absolutely shocking. A 26 year old man named as Kyle Clifford, believed to be armed with a crossbow, is being sought by police.
The dead women are aged 61, 28 and 25.

You state it exactly. Carol, Louise, and Hannah Hunt were tied up and shot by a man.

May they rest in peace.

There is a mental health angle, of course. Because you have to be deranged to react with multiple murders to a woman telling you she wants to end the relationship.

No you just have to be a man who sees women as property and not human beings in their own right and far too many men do see women as lesser beings whom they own. They want women and women’s bodies as men always have but they also despise them.

Besides even if someone does have mental health issues, as many people do, it covers a huge range of conditions and doesn’t mean that the person doesn’t have full or partial culpability. Little short of a genuine severe psychotic episode totally exempts someone from responsibility for murder.

This. This. This.

FFS stop with the NAMALT.

my point is: that view is deranged. That so many men have it, is deranged. It is not normal.

He hasn’t killed at random yet. This is obviously not a normal, rational, clear thinking, moral man. Until he’s either in handcuffs or dead he could do anything.

Whichever way you want to look at it, violence is a gender based issue

Well no though, if you look at the fucking evidence of more than two women a week, it actually seems that you pretty much only absolutely need to suffer from the dangerous mental illness called ‘Being Male’.

Another man doing what they do best.

Poor women. I just can’t anymore. Nobody gives a shit about us.

It is beyond horrific and yes, as a PP said, it is literally an execution. A cold calculated execution.

Well done Farage, a friend of Trump a rapist, and a huge fan of Tate. This is as shocking if not more so as all the other stalking murdering stories I read out there.

Those poor women, my heart goes out to the family left, how they can ever live with this, I do not know.

my point is: that view is deranged. That so many men have it, is deranged. It is not normal.

Male violence against women and girls is so common and has such a long indeed ancient history that I do think it’s normal. They’re not deranged. They’re angry, pathetic, bitter and weak individuals who do not accept women as equal beings but see them as the property of men. But society feeds this view at every turn. It doesn’t just happen in a vacuum.

I want to start my comment with that my thoughts today are with Carol, Hannah, Louise, John and the as of yet unnamed third daughter.

Also just want to say that its ''funny'' - but I never see a man claim ''NAWALT''. On the contrary , they're more likely to generalise across the sex with little to back those generalisations up, whereas this is once again, another case of egregious male violence against women.

@Brefugee when a toddler has a tantrum because they hear the word 'NO' are there mental health 'angles'?
Because essentially what happens when one of these cretins hears the word 'NO' they have a massive tantrum. Except now they are grown, with all the adult strength and opportunity to buy weapons (WTAF Amazon 😡)
So no, no mental health angles from where I'm standing

Yet another horrific crime committed against women by a man who didn't like the word NO.
Carol, Louise and Hannah deserve justice.
Every women has a right to feel safe from male violence.

Their names were reported:

Carol, Hannah and Louise Hunt

Among your post are three women who have experienced unimaginable terror before being brutally killed.

Every man who has a woman say "yes" when she wanted to say "no" because she feared that he would murder her has benefited from the lesson to all women that men like Kyle Clifford teach.

Every man who gets a job because a woman was too scared to even apply because she feared that she would not survive the walk home has benefited from the lesson to all women that men like Josef Puska and Wayne Couzins teach.

Every man who gets a job in construction or tech because a woman left the industry because of sexual harassment benefits from the actions of the harassers, even if he does not himself harass.

Men as a class benefit from male violence against women. Even the "good men".

Can we please focus on the victims here? Those three women and their father (and another sister?)

Making this into a men thing is doing just what you're arguing about. Focusing on the men and not the victims.

are you getting my point? it is an abnormal reaction. So it is a mental health issue.

I know it's male violence against women.

eventully.

I just made the mistake of clicking on the trending "John hunt" tag on Twitter. I scrolled for two pages without a single person or statement referencing the women by name or the trauma they must have suffered.

I get it. I really do - we express condolences to the person left behind. But surely, in a situation like this, it's impossible NOT to also reflect on the horror for these women?

Possibly because he is actually known to them in real life?

For no other reason?

I can't imagine the terror those women felt at the hands of that monster but I can still sympathise with the husband/father and daughter/sister left behind

Really?

Or someone who can't be told 'No'?

Some are just evil, whether that's nature or nurture. And they know what they're doing

Also just want to say that its ''funny'' - but I never see a man claim ''NAWALT''. On the contrary , they're more likely to generalise across the sex with little to back those generalisations up, whereas this is once again, another case of egregious male violence against women.

it is talked about a lot though. Men are diverse and there are billions of them so of course the actions of one man are not representative of all men. Silly women to think that!!

But. One women is always representative of all women (to many men. So many men) so if any woman pushes back, ever, all women are cockblocking bitches and there is NEVER NAWALT because... well, men. It is infuriating. (and yet on the many online discussions about, say Rose West, i have never felt the need to NAWALT. Perhaps we should

I can't stop thinking about this. It's the stuff of actual nightmares. What those women must have experienced in their final moments is unimaginable. And the poor husband/dad finding the scene. It's horrendous. All the comments sections of the stories are alive with people arguing about this fucker's nationality/race... Drives me mad. We all know where violent crime is concerned there's an obvious common denominator and it ain't nationality. RIP those poor women.

What is so awful is not only the death of the girlfriend, but he killed her mother and sister too. So women have to be afraid of who our daughter or sister might get involved with now. I am so angry and sick of this shit.

I cannot imagine the horror and pain that those three women went through before they were murdered by an entitled man. RIP 💐