Abandoned baby Elsa is third newborn to be deserted by same parents

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5115e7k2eno

Could be incest.

Yes, mine wanted me to get an abortion with my son. I refused and he gave me the silent treatment for ages when I refused. Generally not nice to me at all throughout my pregnancies and made them stressful.

Sadly, I think the only possible explanation is abuse.
If a mother wanted to give birth (rather than have an abortion) but didn't want to keep the baby, she could just go to a hospital and ask for the baby to be adopted. This is the way to safely give up your baby. Normally people try to hide from social services if they DON'T want their child removed, not if they do. Giving your baby up for adoption is perfectly legal. A mother who was homeless, or an addict could do this, and wouldn't be in trouble for it. Hospitals don't report addicts to the police just for having an addiction.

The only reasons to repeatedly abandon your babies and deny yourself healthcare are that you don't want to become known to the authorities or have no choice. Such as if you are in an abusive situation and fear your abuser. Or there is some other serious crime you are trying to hide.
Although I can understand that people who are illegally in the country might want to stay under the radar, I just don't think that someone would end up pregnant three times if immigration status was their only issue, and they had active choice over their other aspects of their life.
I'm sure that when the parents are found there will be a horrible story behind this.

This is what I was thinking too. She can’t escape and the babies are taken from her. It’s horrible to think of.

A relative of mine adopted 2 children within 3 yrs of eachother. The parents were a couple who didn’t want children. They had
a 3rd and my relative was asked if they’d adopt that child as well and they refused as they thought these people will just keep reproducing if they keep adopting their children. A bit strange all round

I wonder if the the parents that adopted the babies will do a dna test on them it could solve it. They might be warned not too but if they could at least police would know if they if they are related.

Sorry if this has been asked. Migraine so shouldn’t be looking at a screen

Does anyone know if drs can tell from the baby’s DNA if parents are closely related ? Or is that impossible to tell? TIA.

Just glad the baby is safe now though poor mum, the risk of infection or blood loss doesn’t bear thinking about,

Yes, they can tell.

Foundling babies are v rare. But reasons for babies being given up are returning. People without regularised immigration status are at risk of deportation if they seek medical help. People with No Recourse to Public Funds due to immigration status aren’t entitled to accommodation when homeless or universal credit. So, there’s a possibility the parents can’t risk asking for help or wouldn’t get it. Or that the mother can’t escape abuse as she has no rights. Just like mothers in the past before housing rights and welfare were introduced. Not all mothers have the same options.

That's a remarkably daft statement if you don't mind my saying so (aside from being the very least important thing in this whole terrible case). The entire point is that NOBODY knows the heritage of these poor children because the parents can't be placed! Not yet, anyway. And wouldn't it be massively crass to give them some randomly chosen (for example) West African names if their DNA was judged to place their parents in a particular location? We would still not know what their cultural background was, what religion their families held, what name preferences ...

I thought everyone knew that babies like this (abandoned) were given sort of 'holding' names until they passed into fostering or adoption. All the news reports I've seen have made it very clear that the babies have since had their names changed. To what, we don't know - and it's none of our business. The authorities certainly wouldn't have released their baby photographs together with their names now, that'd be a massive breach of privacy.

I'm not sure what point you're making but the whole point of the story is all 3 babies have been tested- that's how they know they are siblings.

Have you seen some of the names parents give their kids though? It will affect a child’s life chances if they have to go through life with a stupid name. The poster’s friend probably made the right choice.

I think there has been a small bump, but the overall trend on unwanted pregnancies seems to be down - the fear factor about lack of abortion has probably just pushed a lot of women to double down on birth control.

Did any of the reports say the DNA shows the same father? I only saw that it shows the three children to be siblings - which they would be with maternal DNA. Or half-siblings, but I'm unconvinced officaldom would make that distinction due to the impact on public speculation.

The report at the start of this thread says

An expert told the court that, in his opinion, the genetic findings provided extremely strong scientific support for the view that Baby Elsa was “a full sibling” of the other two babies.

Thanks, @IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle. I missed it!

All good points

I know the babies are full siblings I meant I wonder if the parents that adopted them would do a dna test for ancestry sites. Gedmatch has a tool that shows you if your parents are related and how close. It could rule out if the mum is a victim of abuse by a family member.

I was also thinking this. Ancestry DNA can be used to narrow the possible parents down to a certain group of people who can then be eliminated.

This was my take on it, I think she must be trapped somewhere by someone and/or the father is related.

Or could be religious, not allowed contraception but no money to raise the offspring.

Why can’t they track back cctv to see who brought the baby?!

Poor woman I hope she is found soon its scary to think what could happen if it happens again and she needed an emergency section or treatment.

DNA testing on the child can reveal consanguineous parents. There's no need to back-trace if this is suspected. I'm sure this will have been looked at.

The closeness of the relationship between the parents can be estimated based on the number and size of the chromosome blocks that are identical. Analysis of parental samples is not required to make this determination.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4030722

I think they're illegal immigrants - could be religious factors at play also. The main thing is the babies are safe thankfully, the worrying thing is it could happen again

No one has said they are Nigerian. I believe a previous poster said something along the lines of ‘could dna not be used to determine heritage, for example to say they are 100% Nigerian.’

They can tell but the testing ordered by court will be directed to look at certain things. If the court dont direct for that to be looked at, then it wont be. We have no idea what other information the court has or hasnt got.