youtube gang rape "victim" arrested.

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not so innocent after all?

the fact that she was "apparently unconcious" does not mean she actually was, actors appear unconcious on video tape all the time, it does not mean they are.

If she was unconcious then how did she hear her children in the background?

People do some very weird things to get their kicks,sometimes either simulating a rape or actually raping.

I think this all sounds very weird and whatever happened it will leave scars for at least some invloved forever. Most probably the poor children who, at best, were left to cry for an unspecified amount of time

She didn't 'hear the kids crying in the background' that was on the tape.

It's possible that she was the kind of woman who would drink anything offered by anyone. I've met people like that so it isn't impossible.

Then again perhaps there is another tape of her telling them what to do.
Will be interesting to find out how that turns out.

poor kids- imagine having witnessed that.

people lie about all sorts all the time, there have been many times where people have cried rape untruthfully. It is true that a rapist will lie more often than a victim, however it changes if they are not actually rapist and victim.

Dittany, all you know is that they had sex for the length of the video tape.

GRS, sorry I thought I saw that she had said all I could hear was the children crying.

BTW, I am not saying she was not raped, I have no idea if she was or not (like everyone else here) I am trying to say that people can lie on all sides and therefore hanging and drawing anyone without evidence is foolish at best.

I agree with Dittany..............

I don't know the whole situation (none of us do) but I certainly don't think she WANTED this.

I don't care what she should and shouldn't have done regarding drinking with kids with HER kids around...........

Yes, it will be interesting, although my money, I'm afraid, is on her having lied about being raped. Why?

Well, given that the police are have released the three boys without charge and are now charging her with perjury and having sex with a minor either:

(a) the police are so corrupt, mysogynistic and stupid that not only are they not prosecuting three rapists and actually arbitrarily prosecuting the victim instead but they're doing so without any evidence to support them, thereby ensuring that their corruption and misogyny will be exposed to the world; or

(b) the police have pretty strong evidence that she was indeed lying.

Call me simple, but I'm inclined to go with (b) for the moment. If, of course, it turns out different, I'll happily eat a very large slice of humble pie.

am with cestlavie. This isn't a case of the lads being arrested, charged, brought to court and them then being found not guilty and them then investigating the woman after the event, no charges are going to be brought against them, and generally no charges are brought if there is insufficient evidence, and surely that video alone would be sufficient evidence to charge them?

If the woman is innocent then all they have to do is show that video in court for there to be reasonable doubt. There has to be more evidence to support charges being brought against her.

Well said Dittany - I find this thread quite disturbing. Why are some so triumphant at the indication a woman has not been raped when she claimed to be?

Completely disproportionate to the statistics.

Unfortunately I do find the idea of corrupt, misogynistic and logically challenged police plausible, judging by the way they come across in shaken baby cases. No doubt the police do have extra evidence of some kind, but who knows what the quality of that evidence might be?

We just have no idea, either way, what the truth of this case is.

quite dittany. And agree absolutely JV.

Dittany, one of my close friends is a barrister who represents rape victims and prosecutes alleged rapists on behalf of the CPS. I think rape is a horrific crime and I know from her that it is one which needs legal reform to improve the conviction rate and which needs procedural reform to ensure the victims are dealt with more compassionately throughout the process so don't be so bloody rude and misanthropic in your response to me or dare suggest that I have any sympathy with rapists.

JV: I and, as far as I can tell, no-one else here is triumphant about anything. What I'm saying is that the on evidence so far, it's seems evident that the case is not as simple as was originally portrayed and if the police are charging the alleged victim with perjury then clearly they have some grounds for doing so.

No-one is saying rape victims should be routinely disbelieved - when this story originally broke on here, not a single poster (including myself) questioned whether she was telling the truth but instead expressed the utmost sympathy for her.

Dittany, if you think that is enough then why on earth are we bothering to have any "plod" at all, I mean, if anyone claming victim status is automatically telling the truth then police are pretty null and void arn't they?

I know two people who have falsly accused rape, one saw sense early on luckily, the other didn't admit it until she was found out - by then he had lost his wife, home and job. It took him years to get his life back because, even though he was never prosecuted or anything people would far rather think bad than good. Before you spout anything about them being scared or whatever, they were not scared they were lying - they were sorry afterwards of course, but that doesn't change anything for the actual victims (ie the men accused and all the women who have to work that bit harder to be believed because of the people who have lied).

fgs stop being so histerical.

No-one said that the victims of rape should routinely not be believed. When this story was originally posted on here, everyone was shocked about it, no-one said at the time that the woman should not be believed. But there clearly is some evidence to the contrary if the three boys in question are not going to be charged and she is.

Or do you believe that all men are bastards and all women are innocent victims?

They are children! And an adult, someone who should have known better, invited them into her home for a binge drinking session! If that had been three girls and a 24 year old man would people still be condemning the girls? no didn't think so.

I repeat I am not saying she is lying, I said the whole thing seems very weird.

Well just how likely would it be for 3 teenage girls to film themselves having sex with an unconscious man?

JV, how do you know the man is unconcious?

Dittany - you know why I hate having what should be intelligent discussions when you're posting? It's because, amongst other things, you always end up using personal insults in your posts which make it very hard to continue the discussion without rising to the bait. In this particular case, your repeated comments that I sympathise with rapists is a step too far so I'll have to bite my tongue, and bow out.

but usually rape suspects are aquitted in court. These lads aren't even going to be charged, despite the fact there is a video showing them having sex with this woman.

If no "victim" ever lies, and all accused are always guilty, then surely there would be no need for a court system at all? or the need to gather evidence? you could just walk into a police station and aledge what the hell you wanted and the police would arrest the perpitrator and bang them up for a couple of years. bingo.

Except sometimes people do lie. And sometimes people are wrongly accused.

or does that only apply to women?