youtube gang rape "victim" arrested.

[wannaBe]

not so innocent after all?

This is a bloody weird story - DH told me about it yesterday.

I remember seeing a thread about the original incident, ie the video clip on here, I did wonder at the time what she was doing drinking with 15/16 yo's although of course no-one deserves the treatment she had aledged.

If she is guilty I hope they throw the book at her.

bloody hell mumsnetters! what happened to innocent until proven guilty?!

strange

blimey.

She is a victim still at the moment - there's no evidence reported there that would give you any clear indication of the facts of the matter, on which to base an opinion.

I remember the orig thread on this too. All very weird.

I can't imagine what evidence the police could have that she was lying aside from the word of the 'rapists' and if there is filmed evidence of that with them clearly not being coerced and of her apparently helpless.... well that is strange.

i don't know what evidence the police have against her but she was apparently unconscious in the video - so can't see how/why she would have faked that. Disturbing. Innocent until proven guilty i agree.

Maybe the police farce thought it would be less paperwork to presecute her

but the fact the lads in question will face no charges is relevant, surely?

what evidence for that though? their word against hers?

I agree with Ruty...

How and more importantly WHY would you fake being unconcious having sex with what are essentially kids and then publicise it. Especially with your kids crying in the background

I suppose there is more to this than we know about, but I think I'd still go for innocent until proven guilty.

but there is video evidence. apparently the clip showed the three lads having sex with this "unconscious" woman with her children in the background. It's not just a question of one person's word against another - there is actual video evidence.

So there must be something more to indicate that this wasn't actually how it happened. Who knows maybe the lad kept videoing and what was videoed afterwards shows that all was not as it seemed.

Or does it necessarily follow that just because she's a woman she must be innocent? wtf was she doing drinking with 15/16 year olds in the first place?

what sticks in my mind was the quote from the woman that all she could hear is her children screaming in the background, shocking.

"It was only a few months later, when a friend spotted the sickening three-minute clip of the incident on YouTube, that her partner encouraged her to report
it to police.".

spotted the clip on youTube? given that only 600 people viewed this clip, how coincidental is it that one of them was a friend of her's? .

Maybe she cried rape to her partner.

and how does one "spot" clips like that on youTube?

Perhaps she heard rumours about it and looked for it? whoever put it there presumably wanted people to know about it.

The thing is, nobody spots clips like that on YouTube months later - it was only on YouTube briefly, got reported, got taken down.

Interesting, the original story seemed to provide pretty compelling evidence of rape or at least sexual assault.

Clearly there is more to this for the police to not only release the alleged rapists but then to actually charge the woman making the allegations. As someone else said, it may well be the case that additional video footage was found to be available when the suspects were arrested, or that other corroborating/ non-corroborating evidence became available.

ditenny people do lie about being raped. A woman was jailed recently for doing so. No it's not as common as rapists lying but it does happen.

In this instance it wasn't just a case of her word against theirs "they raped me"/"we didn't, honest, she had sex of her own free will", there was an actual video of the incident. A video which would almost certainly have held up in court, if it showed what it was aledged to have shown. It would have been much easier to secure a conviction, three convictions actually which would have done for the local stats, based on that "evidence".

There is obviously further evidence to show that this woman is not telling the truth and that all was not as it appeared on that video.

For one, she invited those children into her house for a drinking session, it said that much in the original artacles, the fact her young children were present didn't seem to deter her from doing that did it?

I agree, it's easy to for the other information (e.g. 5 kids at 24, day-time drinking session with teenagers) to become 'noise' around the actual offence. If she didn't consent to sex, then it is rape, regardless of the circumstances.

That being said, it is clearly very unusual for the police not only to drop charges against the alleged rapists but to bring charges of perjury against the alleged victim. If they are doing so the police must have pretty compelling evidence (from their perspective at least) that the alleged victim had lied.