Dispatches . Russel brand .

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I actually like Russel brand . And I don't think he's ever hidden what he used to be in his heyday. He's always been very open about his drug use, and promiscuity.

I read his first book . I watch his videos on fb , and while I don't always agree with him, he seems to have totally overhauled his lifestyle, attitudes, is into yoga, self care, seems to be a decent husband and father .

Is this newsworthy ? Young famous comedian in heyday slept with lots and lots of women , consensually he says ?

Hes never hidden it.

On drug misuse I alWays had time for his views that it should be dealt with as a medical issue not a criminal one

What's the news story ?
I always feel like there is much glee and salivating before the media try and knock someone down.
I don't think this is a huw edwards where people would be shocked at him trying to pick up young women behind his wife's back

It seems that brand has settled down , lives a fairly mundane lifestyle and is happy with his choices .

Or am I completely missing something?

God, @puttyinboots that sounds so terrible. Sending you love

Also that report I made, so after as I say over a year of that hanging over me exacerbating crippling ptsd and endless waiting constantly getting delayed delayed, the police knew how vulnerable I was and guess how they told me it was being dropped. By text when I was at work.

Oh for goodness sake.

I remember as a teenager (80s) reading and hearing things in the media about what you should do if you were raped. Rape had been a taboo subject and there was an effort to raise awareness to give women the confidence to report. Unfortunately now the narrative is that the system is stacked against the victim so no wonder women are reluctant to come forward. It's even more true when you are raped by someone known to you. Factor in the fact RB is a celebrity and no wonder the women didn't come forward at the time.

Clearly the party line of the Brand-defenders has now moved to 'but what about the REAL issues' now they've exhausted the 'why didn't she..?' questions.

I'm very worried about the climate crisis, and cost of living and Ukraine and Tory corruption. I'm also very worried about, and very tired of, systemic and deep-rooted misogyny. I'm very worried about girls and women living in a culture where sexual assault, harassment and abuse is the norm and where perpetrators are rarely held accountable for it. I think the crisis of violence against women and girls IS a real issue, thanks very much. People popping up to say 'but what about Libya, what about Morocco etc' - we can care about both actually, and you're making it clear that the only issues you want us to be concerned about are ones where men's lives are affected too. Silly little women's problems like being raped just aren't that important, right? Never mind challenging the institutions that allow rapists and predators to thrive; it's only women lives which are ruined. Let's focus on what REALLY matters.

Actually often you need serious journalism like this to bring crimes like this to the fore. Girls who reported Jimmy Saville were never told there were others and so gave up (think the Surrey Police got a rap on their knuckles for that) - if you think you're a lone person without knowing there are others - then you are more likely to give up as you don't know there are others. Same with Epstein, same with Weinstein and many who did come forward had gagging orders put on them - rumour has it there were super injunctions put on some of his victims. It will all come out now you wait and see. I watched the programme last night and aside from the allegations - some of the comments he made about women then during his shows - were absolutely abhorrent and frankly should not even have been aired! The media built him up now they will scramble to bring him down. And as for this being some great big conspiracy - if that is his best defence...... and that's what scares me about the world we live in - people are using this excuse time and time again - everything is some greag big woke conspiracy for some reason! What if it's just a crime was committed!?

I can't believe what I'm reading here. Wtf has the Conservative party and Boris Johnson got to do with the very serious allegations about Russell Brand? Boris is a cheat and womaniser, that's not news and no glory for him there, but as far as I'm aware, hés not been accused of rape .
Brand is a dangerous and pervy sexual predator, and there have been allegations of serious sexual violence. Yesterday's documentary is probably the tip of the iceberg and I shudder to think about what else he may be hiding.
He's not the only well known misogynistic and violent sexual abuser of women in the public eye and the fact that this is being covered up by national institutions is truly scandalous.
The apologists on here spouting rubbish about 'trial by media' and suggesting that it's not worth pursuing because its historic abuse should hang their heads in shame. It's that kind of skewed thinking that minimises the seriousness of rape and violence against women, dismisses the often lifelong impact on the victims and perpetuates men behaving like this as they know they'll get away with it and be rewarded by a successful and lucrative career that can't be touched.
Trial by media? Live by the sword, die by the sword I say, if that's the only way to change things and make people like Brand and the institutions that employ sleazy dross like him fully accountable.

Not attacking victims or defending RB. I don’t know him but he like every other accused person deserves a fair trial by jury and not trial by mumsnet.

Ok and Jimmy saville too as he’s dead and can’t go on trial?

I don't know whether he is guilty or not but you are doing women a disservice. You are saying because you like him, he can't have done such terrible things. Did you ever hear of Rolf Harris?

And he knew it was wrong because he made her keep it quiet.

Yes, and investigative journalism is how many crimes come to light and are brought to trial. Police are now investigating Brand as a result (reported this afternoon) so looks like he might get his trial, don't worry.

And yes, it will be a fair trial and there is precedent for a media expose leading to criminal trials as has been extensively explained on the threads here today.

Agree.

I quite like Russell Brand. I don't know if the allegations are true or not but obviously they should be investigated.

He does have some quite controversial opinions and I wonder if this is one way of trying to shut him up.

I don’t know if he is guilty or innocent, I very much agree he should face investigation and criminal charges if guilty of a crime.

However, until he is found guilty of a crime we have to presume he is innocent. Men and women are capable of lying so don’t presume to know who is telling the truth without all the facts.

This will end in tragedy one day when an innocent person takes their life because of an allegation and media witch hunt.

He hasn't been arrested, charged, appeared in any court of law or found guilty of any offence..so why is he being shunned and cancelled and has to all intents and purpose been hung drawn and quarted...innocent until proven guilty...seems not in the uk anymore.

Ffs !! Is anyone actually surprised about this! The Narcissist fucker actually bragged about what he had done, in his live shows! Making someone give him a blow job until they almost choked. Just do he could see their mascara run! Also the absolute obscene phone call with Jimmy Saville that was recorded live on air ! He’s obviously getting off on the fact that he can Bragg about what he’s done and get away with it! Fucker( mum of a 14 yr old girl that was groomed and then raped by someone in a position of trust)

interesting that took over a year to make this programme , as obviously wanted to get enough evidence before his lawyers got hold of it. Aldo lack of disclosure or info from Endemol and c4 ( what have they got to hide)

Oh and for those wittering on about Brand having admitted a sex addiction ( how very brave of him eh? ) Rape is not sex, it's a crime of violence where the victim is often badly injured physically and almost always mentally.
Would you still be spouting the same crap if these women were pictured with broken bones, black eyes and lifelong handicaps etc?

'For goodness sake'? Scandalous stories about celebrities take up vast amounts of new coverage weekly and I am suggesting they are a distraction from the issues facing us. I'm making a serious point.

So, rape, DV etc aren’t “one of the issues facing us?”

mumsterplus1 · Today 20:00

Ffs !! Is anyone actually surprised about this! The Narcissist fucker actually bragged about what he had done, in his live shows! Making someone give him a blow job until they almost choked. Just do he could see their mascara run! Also the absolute obscene phone call with Jimmy Saville that was recorded live on air ! He’s obviously getting off on the fact that he can Bragg about what he’s done and get away with it! Fucker( mum of a 14 yr old girl that was groomed and then raped by someone in a position of trust)

interesting that took over a year to make this programme , as obviously wanted to get enough evidence before his lawyers got hold of it. Aldo lack of disclosure or info from Endemol and c4 ( what have they got to hide)
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How can you like him? There is medical, forensic, digital and police evidence that has been released, which would have bene thoroughly checked by lawyers, that links him to the sexual assault of five girls & women. He has released a video that doesn't refute any of it, just tries to lamely claim that "they" are trying to "silence him" for revealing information that isn't clear to anyone.

He does have some quite controversial opinions and I wonder if this is one way of trying to shut him up.

Why would it silence him? His publicity is through the roof. This has no impact on his ability to carry on churning out nonsense content. It's only made his fans even more aggressive in their defence of him. See the example re: Donald Trump above.

If an all powerful body wanted to "shut him up", there are actually effective ways of doing so.

I'd go back to your spliff if I were you.
Dispatches and the Times have the evidence, hence the broadcast.

I see Alan Sugar has come out in defence of him (alongside Bridgen, Andrew Tate and Lozza Fox)

This isn't just a scandalous celeb story. It's about institutional cover-ups, 'open secrets' that let predators abuse over and over again, it's about grooming, it's about the failures of the legal system to protect women, it's about misogyny and it applies far more widely than Brand. Sexual abuse and assault thrives in a culture that allows it to occur with impunity 'in plain sight' and the fact that we all have to live in that culture is just as important an issue as any other that you raise.