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Dispatches . Russel brand .

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fabmaccawhackythumbsaloft · 16/09/2023 16:25

I actually like Russel brand . And I don't think he's ever hidden what he used to be in his heyday. He's always been very open about his drug use, and promiscuity.

I read his first book . I watch his videos on fb , and while I don't always agree with him, he seems to have totally overhauled his lifestyle, attitudes, is into yoga, self care, seems to be a decent husband and father .

Is this newsworthy ? Young famous comedian in heyday slept with lots and lots of women , consensually he says ?

Hes never hidden it.

On drug misuse I alWays had time for his views that it should be dealt with as a medical issue not a criminal one

What's the news story ?
I always feel like there is much glee and salivating before the media try and knock someone down.
I don't think this is a huw edwards where people would be shocked at him trying to pick up young women behind his wife's back

It seems that brand has settled down , lives a fairly mundane lifestyle and is happy with his choices .

Or am I completely missing something?

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Lastchancechica · 16/09/2023 23:19

RedToothBrush · 16/09/2023 23:16

Hot also has no concept of Investigative Journalism it is NOT trial by media.

Again I raise the point of why will Brand fail in any legal action taken against C4 or The Times?

Its the really important point to make in terms of anyone who says 'trial by media'. The media's JOB is to build cases like this.

In a liberal democracy we have checks and balances over power.

When the legal system fails the check and balance is DESIGNED to be the media. In this case, thats whats happening. The media is filling that space where a failure of the justice system / normal institutions who should protect the public has occurred.

This isn't an accident. Its quite deliberate. It is the role of the media to do this.

Its funny seeing someone seeing someone throw their toys out of their pram because journalists have done their actual job for once rather than rewriting a press release or doing a puff piece to gain brownie points and access.

You are banging on about this too much. Yes most of us see the value in investigative journalism. Even if we do end up in a place of trial by media what choice do we have? It appears it’s this or nothing!

There is nowhere near enough legal protection for victims.

MelroseGrainger · 16/09/2023 23:19

@Melly78 You need to put a stop to that right away. If you feel uncomfortable, how do you think your six year old daughter feels? Yet every time you let it happen you’re normalising it for her, and showing her that embarrassing a man for saying inappropriate things is worse than sexualising a toddler. Stand up for your daughter. You will regret it every day of your life until you do. And you should.

monsteramunch · 16/09/2023 23:20

Much was made of the former sixteen year old who was his girlfriend, and while seedy in the extreme nothing illegal appears to have occurred in that instance.

Would you describe the below as sexual assault if someone you knew said it happened, with no third party evidence or unquestionable 'proof'? Genuine question.

'I was sat up in the bed up against the headboard, and he forced his penis down my throat and I couldn't breathe. It was just choking me and I couldn't breathe, and I was pushing him away and he wasn't backing off at all,'

HotSince82 · 16/09/2023 23:20

monsteramunch · 16/09/2023 23:18

@HotSince82

The legalities rarely support the tenets of consent ime

But you didn't just say the courts might not view the circumstances as non consensual.

You asked when it became non consensual and pointed out she had consented previously. That she got into his bed willingly. That she chose to be there, so when did it become non consensual?

You asked those questions and framed the situation as consensual. You did. Repeatedly.

That is what people have taken issue with.

Because that's exactly the line of defence his barrister will take.

We can admonish him all.we want on here. It counts for nothing in the sphere of the judicial process

beatrix1234 · 16/09/2023 23:20

@RedToothBrush When the legal system fails the check and balance is DESIGNED to be the media. In this case, thats whats happening.

What legal system failed? the women never went to the police, they never took the case through the legal system, how on earth is it going to work out if the legal system knew nothing about it? Plus media groups (specially the Murdoch one which created this) always have a huge hidden agenda behind these things, lets not be naive please.

RedToothBrush · 16/09/2023 23:21

Lastchancechica · 16/09/2023 23:19

You are banging on about this too much. Yes most of us see the value in investigative journalism. Even if we do end up in a place of trial by media what choice do we have? It appears it’s this or nothing!

There is nowhere near enough legal protection for victims.

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WE NEED INSTITUTIONAL CHANGE!

Where do you start with that, if we don't have exposes like this?

Answer: we don't. We stay exactly where we were yesterday, with nothing changing.

Lastchancechica · 16/09/2023 23:22

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So you really don’t get consent do you, not even on here. I will tell you again STOP talking to me.

Spambod · 16/09/2023 23:22

The police have recently been exposed as having a rapist problem themselves. These women would have had no chance going to the police. The police were too busy covering up for bastard Dave and Wayne the rapist.

Lastchancechica · 16/09/2023 23:22

RedToothBrush · 16/09/2023 23:21

WE NEED INSTITUTIONAL CHANGE!

Where do you start with that, if we don't have exposes like this?

Answer: we don't. We stay exactly where we were yesterday, with nothing changing.

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Do you seriously believe this will change anything?

Supersimkin2 · 16/09/2023 23:23

On the whole I was underwhelmed by Brand but rather more taken aback by the sodding tv producers. Putting teen runners in with a notorious shagger? Idiotic. Nasty.

I never knew = being promiscuous doesn’t stop you fancying a spot of rape every now and then.

Makes sense, doesn’t it.

Yuk.

TheMarzipanDildo · 16/09/2023 23:24

HotSince82 · 16/09/2023 23:20

Because that's exactly the line of defence his barrister will take.

We can admonish him all.we want on here. It counts for nothing in the sphere of the judicial process

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But you seem to think that they shouldn't have done the documentary either so struggling to see what you think the alleged should do if there's no point going to the police. I can only assume you think they should keep shtum.

Spambod · 16/09/2023 23:24

@HotSince82 troll I am guessing? When you have been on mnet long enough you can spot the language and rhythm of trolls. I think you are one.

HotSince82 · 16/09/2023 23:24

The only way RB will be brought to justice is in the unlikely case of DNA evidence form the LA rape.

And in the case of wirltnesses coming forward from the assault at his home from the outside bystanders who heard her screams

Still massively unlikely.

And the 16 year old (now aged 36?)hasn't a leg?to.stand on.

Look at Kevin Spacey.

What is the fucking point exactly?

medianewbie · 16/09/2023 23:25

AlisonDonut · 16/09/2023 17:10

Because the police will always investigate rapes, right?
And if found guilty the perp always gets a punishment?

Rape is practically legalised in the UK these days. This is probably the only way a victim can get their story out.

Agreed. 'It was a different time': there has never been a time when, morally, rape was okay. 'They should have reported it earlier' (maybe they did & the Police / CPS wouldn't action it or maybe this was the first time they could report it)? I have no idea re Brand but I'm waiting on the backlash.

MelroseGrainger · 16/09/2023 23:25

CornishGem1975 · 16/09/2023 22:21

The editing of this show is also vile. I mean, if you'd filmed me over the past 20 years you'd probably get enough on me to make me look like a reprobate and I'm not a comedian.

You’ve been filmed pissing in the steet, stripping off naked in public and being wrestled to the ground by police, taking your trousers down and sitting on someone in front of an audience of millions without their permission, and kissing and groping someone and talking about taking off their bra live on air?

You’ve been recorded talking about offering up a junior colleague to for naked massages? You’ve been recorded talking about wanting to fuck another colleague under their desk?

well then yes, you could easily be edited to look like a reprobate too.

Jesus. Some people can’t see what’s put right in front of them.

SweetBirdsong · 16/09/2023 23:25

100% agree @Spambod

Lalgarh · 16/09/2023 23:25

I'm assuming this has hit the US. (It's not on CNN yet but Tucker Carlson and Andrew Tate have offered him their support).

As one of the attacks took place on US soil there's a chance a slightly more diligent legal system might actually take interest.

He might be extraditey-witeyed

RedToothBrush · 16/09/2023 23:26

beatrix1234 · 16/09/2023 23:20

@RedToothBrush When the legal system fails the check and balance is DESIGNED to be the media. In this case, thats whats happening.

What legal system failed? the women never went to the police, they never took the case through the legal system, how on earth is it going to work out if the legal system knew nothing about it? Plus media groups (specially the Murdoch one which created this) always have a huge hidden agenda behind these things, lets not be naive please.

The legal system has failed because women have no trust in it. The legal system has failed because women recognise that all that happened is they are called liars and humilated in court. The legal system has failed because powerful men can threaten to take legal action against them and to call them liars in court. The legal system has failed because women recognise that whilst the law on rape is that consent can be removed at any time, in practice this makes it even harder for women to be believed. The legal system has failed because women recognise the sheer lack of cases that even get forwarded to the CPS never mind result in a conviction.

Women rely on safeguards elsewhere. They rely on safeguards in institutions to try and reduce the ability of men to take advantage of their status and abuse their positions of power. These safeguards also broke down. And that matters too.

monsteramunch · 16/09/2023 23:26

But you seem to think that they shouldn't have done the documentary either so struggling to see what you think the alleged should do if there's no point going to the police. I can only assume you think they should keep shtum.

Absolutely this!

That poster is essentially saying 'the courts won't believe you but you shouldn't go to the press and anyway, you consented to being in their bed and having sex with them before they did it so really... when did you withdraw consent anyway?'

Fucking gross.

As this poster asked, what should women do if assaulted by someone they are in a relationship with? Just shut up and move on?

PeachesoutinGeorgia · 16/09/2023 23:28

It’s just such a shame the reporting was done so so badly. It seemed to do a lot to confuse the narrative, like making a point of his sexual promiscuity with a lot of willingly consenting women. Maybe it was an attempt to build up a picture of his character, but I found it very confusing.

The way they distanced themselves from Channel 4 saying they didn’t know anything when they are Channel 4. Putting his apology at the end basically saying don’t believe the media I think took away from the victims stories and experiences.

The whole vibe was weird as a documentary, although I think most things come out after the persons died don’t they so they were probably severely restricted in what and how they could say it and who was willing to come forward.

Also why struck me was why did we think this was a funny way for him to act in the media at the time? Looking back on it it’s so crass and demeaning 🤮

monsteramunch · 16/09/2023 23:28

What is the fucking point exactly?

Feeling some justice has been served if some consequences happen e.g. damage to career and reputation, even if not criminally charged.

Exposing a sex offender.

Warning other women of the offender's offences so they can make informed decisions about entering a relationship with them.

Plenty of points.

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Islandsadness · 16/09/2023 23:29

BeignetPommes · 16/09/2023 23:18

Men who use prostitutes show that they feel entitled to sex and aren't particularly concerned about whether the person they are doing sex to is into it. So why wouldn't they rape someone? It's cheaper than paying after all

That's really not fair comment. I have no admiration for men who would pay for a prostitute, but saying they're one step away from being a rapist is outrageous.

I'd say it's bang on.

A man who uses a prostitute is a man who thinks consent can be bought, ie not freely given, and is fine with that.

Lastchancechica · 16/09/2023 23:29

So this is my prediction:

He will do a Huw Edwards. Wheel out the woe is me card, and he will be sent to a sex addiction clinic that costs the earth. He will hide behind his ‘addiction’ and the be kind crew will kick into action claiming he is a new man and magically cured, and everyone deserves a second chance.

What are the chances of a prosecution or two? It Is not impossible I suppose…. It depends how many brave women come forward.

RedToothBrush · 16/09/2023 23:30

Lastchancechica · 16/09/2023 23:22

Do you seriously believe this will change anything?

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Oh yeah. Its pointless and we should just throw in the towel and give up even trying. And instead just accept that women should put up with this and management should just get another promotion. Cos well, she deserved it and Brand is a role model for future media celebrities.

Yep. Ok then.

Cracking. Totally with you with the total lack of arsedness.

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