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4 young children stabbed in Annecy

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Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 08/06/2023 17:54

I looked for a thread on this but couldn't see one.

I'm absolutely shocked and sickened at this attack on these helpless babies.

I can't imagine what the mother/minder of the baby who was stabbed multiple times in their pushchair is feeling and I so hope the two babies who are critical pull through.

Just awful :( :(

Reading these kinds of stories really affect me. I have a 3.5 yr old and a 18month old and I just want to scoop them up and protect them forever.

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LangsNot · 08/06/2023 21:05

FernGully43 · 08/06/2023 21:04

I just checked again and this was the update from the BBC

All the children are in hospital, but local officials have told the BBC that they are in a stable condition.

Such a relief to read the babies are all stable.

This is a relief that they're not dead but I just can't help imagine their pain still. The family's as well.

DoingSomethingUnholy · 08/06/2023 21:09

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8state · 08/06/2023 21:10

@FernGully43 That is good news. I can't understand how this could happen. I don't think I have ever heard of anything like this.

waterlego · 08/06/2023 21:11

I’m so glad to read that the babies are said to be stable. I hope the adult victim will also recover.

In terms of pattern recognition, I’m sure we’ve all noticed that those who deliberately hurt and kill others are usually male. White, brown, black, young and old. Almost always men. (Although I notice someone has posted upthread about a woman who committed a similar crime in the UK. I don’t believe I ever heard about that but it sounds utterly horrific).

I’m another one admiring the man (a medic, I think?) who very bravely pursued the perpetrator around the park.

Loveallotments · 08/06/2023 21:11

This is too horrific for words. Those poor children and their parents. What kind of human being attacks young children, no more than babies.

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 08/06/2023 21:12

FernGully43 · 08/06/2023 21:04

I just checked again and this was the update from the BBC

All the children are in hospital, but local officials have told the BBC that they are in a stable condition.

Such a relief to read the babies are all stable.

I'm so relieved about that. I really thought there'd have been one life lost. Thankfully not. I hope they don't have long lasting implications

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tiggergoesbounce · 08/06/2023 21:13

I’ve just seen his on the news. Absolutely horrific and had to try and explain it to my 5 year old why a man is hurting small children 😔
Oh i feel for you, this is why we now dont watch the news or listen to the radio around our 5 year old, its so sad that they need to know about horrible things like this.

I try not to watch it myself these days as its so depressing

Dooopylally · 08/06/2023 21:19

SheSeIIsSeaShells · 08/06/2023 20:43

Psalms 137:9 - Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

1 Samuel 15:3 - Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

Exodus 12:29 - And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.

Isaiah 13:16 - Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.

Hosea 13:16 - Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.

2 Kings 15:16 - Then Menahem smote Tiphsah, and all that were therein, and the coasts thereof from Tirzah: because they opened not to him, therefore he smote it; and all the women therein that were with child he ripped up.

Numbers 31:17 - Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

Psalms 135:8 - Who smote the firstborn of Egypt, both of man and beast.

Acts 7:19 - The same dealt subtly with our kindred, and evil entreated our fathers, so that they cast out their young children, to the end they might not live.

Psalms 136:10 - To him that smote Egypt in their firstborn: for his mercy endureth for ever:

Exodus 1:16 - And he said, When ye do the office of a midwife to the Hebrew women, and see them upon the stools; if it be a son, then ye shall kill him: but if it be a daughter, then she shall live.

Amos 1:13 - Thus saith the LORD; For three transgressions of the children of Ammon, and for four, I will not turn away the punishment thereof; because they have ripped up the women with child of Gilead, that they might enlarge their border:

I disagree with posters saying the OT isn't relevant to Christians.
Howver, picking random verses from anything doesn't always show what you think it does - the quote Exodus 1:16 - And he said, When ye do the office of a midwife to the Hebrew women, and see them upon the stools; if it be a son, then ye shall kill him: but if it be a daughter, then she shall live is what the Egyptian king told his men to do to the Jewish slaves - and will partly explain why they felt the final plague was deserved in an "eye for an eye" sense.

aroomwithaperfectview · 08/06/2023 21:23

BethDuttonsTwin · 08/06/2023 18:45

There is a video. I saw it earlier today. I was told I was hyperbolic because I said I cried at it. I think it’s being removed now, which is probably for the best for the families involved.

Yes, the part where he stabs the infant in the puschair then go back to stab him twice again has been removed from most videos.

Brumbies · 08/06/2023 21:34

Loveallotments · 08/06/2023 21:11

This is too horrific for words. Those poor children and their parents. What kind of human being attacks young children, no more than babies.

Well firstly he's not human

He's totally evil and deranged

Utahthecat · 08/06/2023 21:39

Horrible crimes are committed every day against women and children, by men. We could make a list of crimes committed by refugees, by fathers, by footballers, by ex cons, by men who buy porn….just look at the US and the what seems like weekly attacks on schools, by mainly white men. There is absolutely no indication of anything more than an angry man at this point.

I live nearby, my kids have often gone to this playground. My heart goes out to the kids and carers involved and so thankful for the wonderful annecians who intervened, to the police who arrived in 4 minutes and to the as always amazing pompiers (« firefighters » who are the first responders).

the far right were trying to agitate for a march in Annecy within hours of the attack, desperately trying to leverage hate. Annecy is a beautiful, peaceful town, this is a freak attack and so pleased they captured rather than killed him so he can face the consequences.

grayhairdontcare · 08/06/2023 21:52

He's jus a grade A CUNT!
I hope he gets the shit kicked out of him everyday for the rest of his life in prison

CremeEgg1983 · 08/06/2023 21:56

I can't even fathom how this could go through anyone's minds to do. I just don't get it. I've seen the video, it's horrific.

stingypeasant · 08/06/2023 22:02

@BethDuttonsTwin there are stories on the news every week about some knife crime or other. The VAST MAJORITY are young men stabbing other young men of the same race and the sane social circles. I really think you are demonstrating confirmation bias. You are selecting incidence that support your rhetoric and ignoring all the others that don't. Those events you listed are unusual and that is why they were big news. The daily stabbing of British people by British people is so common place it's almost white noise.

Utahthecat · 08/06/2023 22:06

I don t understand why people are watching videos of attempted murder. Why do you feel the need to see this depravity? FYI, It is illegal to share this kind of violent video in France.

Waitymatey · 08/06/2023 22:12

My understanding is that there are three Abrahamic religions, rooted in the Old Testament, Christianity adheres to the New Testament so I am not sure what point @SheSeIIsSeaShells is trying to make, and about which religion, if any- with he Old Testament quotes

CremeEgg1983 · 08/06/2023 22:14

Utahthecat · 08/06/2023 22:06

I don t understand why people are watching videos of attempted murder. Why do you feel the need to see this depravity? FYI, It is illegal to share this kind of violent video in France.

It can be illegal in the U.K. also to share offensive content on social media but as far as I am aware, it's not illegal to watch it.

Overthinkingnotdrinking · 08/06/2023 22:28

David Amess, the Manchester arena bombings, London Bridge attack, the three men killed Reading, Emily Jones, Thomas Roberts, the attempted bombing of the maternity hospital in Liverpool….

CremeEgg1983 · 08/06/2023 22:30

Overthinkingnotdrinking · 08/06/2023 22:28

David Amess, the Manchester arena bombings, London Bridge attack, the three men killed Reading, Emily Jones, Thomas Roberts, the attempted bombing of the maternity hospital in Liverpool….

The London bombings too.

GraysPapaya · 08/06/2023 22:30

The video popped up on Twitter, I’m guessing before they had chance to delete it. I wasn’t sure what I was watching at first and then he launched into a pram with the knife.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen something so barbaric. This man was clearly evil,

I’m fairly politically moderate, but my friend in France is increasingly becoming more right wing. Her local town is full of migrants causing trouble, sexual harassment, rape, they’ve had stabbings.
Girls from the local school have been told not to go out at night. Gay men told the same.
This incident will feed more into the right wing mentality for sure. But there needs to be a nuanced discussion about migration and integration.

YoucancallmeKAREN · 08/06/2023 22:43

Hoppinggreen · 08/06/2023 18:43

Seems pretty clear this man is mentally ill
Its not an excuse and he deserves to be punished but I see the racists are circling with glee

Of course he must be mentally ill, no sane person would stab children. No doubt we will get the sob stories of how hard his life has been, if that is the excuse that will be used then every Syrian must be the same.

Utahthecat · 08/06/2023 22:55

https://kareningalasmith.com/counting-dead-women/

https://www.feminicides.fr/statistiques2022

https://www.edweek.org/leadership/school-shootings-this-year-how-many-and-where/2023/01

we can all do lists of horrible attacks on vulnerable people. The common denominator is men.

@GraysPapaya i don’t know where this friend of yours lives but I would be amazed if it is near Annecy. My village votes 50%+ le Pen, the only immigrants are rich anglophones.

White French men, like white British men also harass, rape and stab. Yes, Europeans generally need to have honest discussions about immigration but jumping on every crime by a person of colour as being culturally motivated while ignoring the fact that the same crimes are committed by white brothers, fathers, husbands and sons is not honest. Maybe this guy will turn out to have been part of an isis sleeper cell, more likely he is just another angry, cowardly, violent man.

top tip: change your twitter settings so videos don’t play automatically : it has become a total cesspit with the new algorithms.

counting dead women montage

Counting Dead Women

2019: UK women killed by men or where a man is the principal suspect 2018: 147 UK women killed by men or where a man is the principal suspect 2017: 147 UK women killed by men or where a man is…

https://kareningalasmith.com/counting-dead-women/

nildesparandum · 08/06/2023 23:00

My granddaughter rang me a few hours ago about this.
I was throughly shocked and horrified.
What a coward going for little children.

CheekNerveGallAudacityandGumption · 08/06/2023 23:04

GraysPapaya · 08/06/2023 22:30

The video popped up on Twitter, I’m guessing before they had chance to delete it. I wasn’t sure what I was watching at first and then he launched into a pram with the knife.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen something so barbaric. This man was clearly evil,

I’m fairly politically moderate, but my friend in France is increasingly becoming more right wing. Her local town is full of migrants causing trouble, sexual harassment, rape, they’ve had stabbings.
Girls from the local school have been told not to go out at night. Gay men told the same.
This incident will feed more into the right wing mentality for sure. But there needs to be a nuanced discussion about migration and integration.

One of the reasons why immigration is encouraged is precisely because it brings instability and tension. That’s good for the authorities because a fractured and disunited population is less likely to be able to effectively challenge that authority.

Orders76 · 08/06/2023 23:04

GraysPapaya · 08/06/2023 22:30

The video popped up on Twitter, I’m guessing before they had chance to delete it. I wasn’t sure what I was watching at first and then he launched into a pram with the knife.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen something so barbaric. This man was clearly evil,

I’m fairly politically moderate, but my friend in France is increasingly becoming more right wing. Her local town is full of migrants causing trouble, sexual harassment, rape, they’ve had stabbings.
Girls from the local school have been told not to go out at night. Gay men told the same.
This incident will feed more into the right wing mentality for sure. But there needs to be a nuanced discussion about migration and integration.

Apologies that its DM but not just France, this was quite shocking:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10718773/Suspect-Irish-gay-hate-serial-killer-case-two-men-murdered-Iranian-refugee.html

Suspect in Irish 'gay-hate murder' case charged after two men killed

A 22-year-old man has been charged with the murders of Michael Snee, 58, and Aidan Moffitt, 41, who were found with grotesque injuries of a similar nature in Sligo, Ireland.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10718773/Suspect-Irish-gay-hate-serial-killer-case-two-men-murdered-Iranian-refugee.html