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What was going on! A crash in which 2 teens are killed and then a riot, with cops in full gear and shields and teens chucking rocks?

There's a video of them riding a suron emotorbike , they cost 4-5k hugely powered no helmet or protection driving at high speeds on a residential street, £1k jackets they are 15 and come from low income families pictured smoking cannabis.. It doesn't take detective Colombo to work out what they were involved in. It's entirely the parents fault for allowing it.

Their parents should have been asking where they got that bike from? They rode a very powerful bike with no helmets etc an accident waiting to happen

The parents should be in the dock for child neglect.

Even if the police were following them, it's because they were breaking the law!

Why were they 'panicking' as has been described? Because they were acting illegally, and given the photos, likely had drugs on them.

You make your choices.

i despair.
There but the grace of god..
you only have to read the teenagers board on here to see examples of perfectly ‘nice, good’ parents who lose their way with children and their teens get up to all sorts. Sometimes the parents dont even know. Sometimes they have their own issues brought in by growing up in a Deprived area.. the cycle continues!
good article on the bbc wales page today about lack of opportunities for kids in this area.

On a bike that powered you need leathers , proper helmets, and gear not normal clothes they can go at 70mph if they have been tinkered with. If you fall off your skin will be sliced off. 15 year olds shouldn't have access to them wtf.

To be clear I’m not saying the police are to blame but I’m saying comments blaming kids and parents are at best distasteful and at worst a disgrace at this time

It's true those lads were failed by their parents, it's a tragedy.

Why burn peoples cars and trash the place...it's outrageous.

Sorry but looking online that's simply not the case here.

The photos given by friends and family show two boys, younger than they were at death, standing making gang signs and smoking weed.

You can take a look at them and know these are the kids who are never in school, already in the system. I wish the police would actually be honest and say they and possibly their family were known to the police rather than just trying to keep a low profile. They are allowing blame to be apportioned to the wrong people.

I come from a very deprived area and encountered families like these all the time. They were the lot that the odd time they did bother with school, simply to be gits all day, they made my life miserable.

School would do the bare minimum, they didn't know how to handle it appropriately. This was not long after they lost the right to cane kids. They only managed to deal with cases when mum or dad supported the school- something that is still the case now.

Their parents were the gob. The one who was never around for school to contact. The house on the estate that everyone knows about and is despairing of. Who council teams have tried to send threats to but who seemingly get away with anti social behaviour.

It's never ending. Social services do nothing, look at the cases where children are living in houses like that and social workers have been ignorant and sadly those children did not survive.

Schools are told to report safe guarding issues but where does it get them? They are told to not exclude unless completely necessary due to a lack of other places or referral units. Its why my DD was so badly assaulted and bullied at primary and the school told me their hands were tied and we had to move her.

The agencies don't work together. Considering the amount of tech we have now I find that baffling.

It needs to start now. From this current gang led teens who run riot and make people's lives miserable. The current generation have been failed by lazy parents who were probably failed by their parents.

As I said previously, get the agencies in, zero tolerance. Tags, removal of homes if needed, behaviour orders that actually are followed up. 5 years immediate sentence for carrying a knife. Fine parents. Mandatory house searches if you or your child are found with drugs. Curfews. Stop putting all the little trouble families in one estate to join up or fight each other.

Every single one of the thugs who rioted should be made to clear up. Enforce it. Behaviour order until 18. Tag them for 3 years and they must be home by 6. Ban mobiles and social media for those who don't comply

We are too soft by far. Too soft. And if parents refuse to parent, remove their benefits, remove their rights to go out after a certain time and make them accountable.

We are way too soft in this country and there is a feral underclass with no respect for authority...they ones who rioted after this happened.

The parents are blaming the police is it headline news....nope it is not the police not at all nothing to do with the police...it is their complete lack of parenting....they knew what they were up to to get the £££ clothes and bike!

So you’ve gauged all this from looking at photos? Ok.
I have a friend who’s daughter who is a ‘wayward’ teen (your user name is very ironic here!)
her parents are lovely and have tried everything.
She could potentially end up in some trouble like this. I could not blame her parents less. Maybe they made mistakes but they are loving parents trying their best and pulling their hair out,
how do you know that is not the case here

and, even if what you are saying is spot on, is it really appropriate now? 2 boys have died. Yes a discussion needs to be had around prevention and early intervention and possible measures at a wider level but these posts are just judgey and cruel at the moment imo.

Reminds me of when everyone was blaming madeleine mccanns parents, funnily enough they were defended much more on here than these boys’ parents are being…

And before I get jumped on I know this is completely different but it has one thing in common- parents getting the brunt of the blame. From people who really don’t know

Two boys died due to riding a souped up illegal bike. As a result of that (death by misadventure) others have lost cars and belongings due to thugs using it as an excuse to riot.

I've no sympathy

And my user name refers to me leaving home early to get away from useless ignorant parents. It's a joke as my mother used to say to people I was wayward and that's why I left home at 15.

You are exactly why we have this issue in the UK. The excusers of poor behaviour. The ones who feel it's never the parents fault. It is. Somewhere they failed.

My two don't behave like that. I check phones once a week. I have access to all computers and accounts. They've been taught respect and manners and the odd time they've cocked up they've been punished. They've been made to write apology letters to teachers. I am known for my supportive behaviour of school and rules and respect and as a result, I'm well respected. I've made a point of it purely because my mother was the opposite and 27 years of no contact later my two are teens to be proud of.

People are just stating the facts, it is a tragic accident that could have been avoided, they had no protective clothes or helmets on etc. Instead the parents are looking to blame anyone they can, they are the ones getting the headlines and saying the police killed them when that is simply not the case...It is awful what has happened no doubting that.

I was a wayward teen congratulations for turning your life around against the odds. I had been severely abused. My father parented me he moved area to the arse end of nowhereto get me away from bad influences. He bollocked me if I got in trouble at school, he was firm but he loved me.

I am now a responsible adult with a well paid job. My DD is well behaved and I support the school. She never gets into trouble at school, if she's unkind to anyone I correct her. I'm not her friend I'm her mother , it's my job to ensure she joins the world as a responsible kind adult.

@ReformedWaywardTeen I totally agree with you, the reason the UK is in such a mess is the constant excusers of bad behaviour like we are seeing here...oh you can't blame the parents yada, yada, yada...they always look to blame someone else. It sits fair and square with the parents and how they choose to bring up their kids.

Well done you! Clearly you make absolutely no mistakes, ever…
the parents I described in my post before were like you, as well. Sometimes with the best will in the world it doesn’t always work.

you’re also confusing my comments there by insinuating I’m excusing the riots or people driving illegal bikes. Also where have I said it’s never parents faults? I’m saying, in this situation, it’s tasteless to make these comments now when people just don’t know!
oh and now apparently it’s My fault! And people like me 😂I’d rather have empathy and compassion then be cold and judgemental, sorry.

The parents I mentioned above did everything ‘right’ on paper. Still their child has gone ‘off the rails’. She may well get past this stage. It’s still early in her life.

I was in two minds whether or not to comment on this.
I feel desperately sad for the boy’s parents but it seems this was a tragic accident.
I can fully appreciate their immediate need to apportion blame and I hope they have a bit more clarity at some point so they are able to properly grieve rather than being consumed with anger.
The majority of us have done things we should’t have done at some point in our lives and come away unscathed.
That wasn’t the case here and the fact we all make mistakes doesn’t actually excuse any of it.
I have absolutely no idea if these boys were serial offenders on that bike or whether it was a one off and an error of judgement. I think only locals can answer that question.
What followed however was utter insanity.
There are simply no excuses and actually, if these are the role models, that’s a huge concern for the children.

I vaguely know Cardiff and I really like the place. I’m struggling a little with the lack of opportunities take on things. Not just in this case but in general. The city centre is a walk away. There’s plenty going on there to aid direction in life.

@ReformedWaywardTeen completely agree. We all know the type of petiole you are talking about.
I don't believe that this can happen to anyone. Parents who parent with boundaries and love don't often find themselves in this situation.
A lot of it is learned behavior, cycles repeat themselves, what's the solution? I don't know maybe there should be laws around who can pro create. Especially when innocent people get caught up in their anti social behavior.

Ely is quite far from the city centre and has always been deprived/rough. I did my driving test there in the 90s and the instructor said he wouldn’t make me do the emergency stop there because a colleague had had the car jacked the week before.

Councils/police/ss should be helping families relocate away from gangs if their DC are involved in dealing. If they don't want to , the kids should be relocated away.

Exactly.

I think we do need to be harsh purely because there are swathes of the country now where crime and antics behaviour are rife.
Someone needs to take Res and that begins at home.

As I say it can be overcome, my mother was useless and selfish, too busy sleeping with half the estate and being a gobby cow to take interest. Social services did get called but she was incredibly good at smartening herself up when needed and years later I asked for a review of my case and was told actually, I should have been removed.

I don't want to sound uncaring of the boys who passed away, but this feels like another time when agencies will ring their hands, put on a solemn face and say "lessons will be learned" but they never are.

It's the same with all the children missing since lockdown from school. When I home educated for a year we had so much scrutiny and unannounced visits. That was 2017. Yet these kids have not been in school since 2020. I thought parents were fined or taken to court for truancy?