Shamima Begum lost her appeal....

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Just heard on BBC news a reporter said one reason is that she has shown zero remorse and spoke exactly like other extremists - still. Whilst it us unfortunate fir her...
I think it's the right decision given the circumstances....what are your thoughts?

No, I don't.

From what I understand the UK government could not strip her of British citizenship if that would leave her stateless. They can only do this because she is eligible for another citizenship through her parents/grandparents, but she has only ever been a British citizen.

Correct me if I have that wrong.

If I am right, then it creates a 2-tier citizenship that predominantly disadvantages British people of colour, because they are the most likely to have recent ancestors that would potentially allow them the citizenship of another country.

That is putting aside the issue of having been trafficked as a teenager. We seem to be back to the issues that emerged in Rochdale and other areas where teenage girls were groomed and abused, then ignored because they were 'choosing' to have 'older boyfriends'.

Oh please. I'm first gen immigrant and I would never have dreamed of running away to join a mediaeval death cult when I was 15. I know we're furriners n all, but please do credit us with some smarts.

Love your username by the way! Yes Miss Havisham really did have an incredibly mouldy old wedding cake!

Or maybe just common sense to keep a terrorist from blowing up innocent people including children up at a pop concert for example.

Are you offering to house her here?
There'll be a million reasons why you would really love to but but you just can't. Number one being the safety of your dc.

Same question to all the other supporters of Begum. Are you willing to host her? Or live next door even?

I am sure there is lots more information kept back from the public but she is British and it does not sit well with me that can be taken away. She was born and raised here and should be held to account the same as someone with a single nationality would be. My understanding is the "home" country dishes out the punishment so if she is truly as dangerous as she is being portrayed she should be sentenced as such. Life imprisonment not revoking of a nationality leaving her with one she has no connection to other then through a parent. If she had grown up in Bangladesh or had strong connections I would understand the citizenship argument but it is terrifying thinking someone can be stripped of such a large piece of their identity

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If she was a white middle class girl I've got a strong feeling this outcome would have been different.

i highly HIGHLY doubt it.

Regardless of your views of her behaviour and her choices, that doesn't affect the principle here which is that you can't deprive someone of their citizenship if it makes them stateless. That is UK law.

If you are a naturalised British citizen, that is different and you can make them stateless if they have renounced their birth nationality, but she is British by birth, not naturalised. The issue is whether she is also Bangladeshi. If she is, the decision is legal. But the Bangladeshi government say that while she could be entitled to apply be a citizen (leaving aside whether they'd grant that) she isn't at present.

It's obviously really tricky because if the British government believes that Bangladeshi law is such that Begum is a citizen of that country, their decision is perfectly legal. But if the Bangladesh government insist that decision is wrong, whose view is right?

It seems to be very dangerous to me to take the view that moral arguments trump legal rights. I don't know where that ends. And outsourcing this problem to Bangladesh despite Bangladesh wanting nothing to do with it is just extraordinary - I assume they said she'd face the death penalty if deported there in the hope we'd back down, but they totally misread this government if they think that will stop them.

Some posters really need to pay close attention to the testimony of the activist who went over there in good faith to help her and what made him change his mind.

The UK has broken international law by rendering her stateless. That's a Nazi tactic. The UK is no better than a fascist state.

If she was a white middle class girl I've got a strong feeling this outcome would have been different.

What like blonde blue-eyed middle class Sally Jones? Put on a hit list by the U.K. government and then assassinated by a U.S. drone strike along with her 12yo child. You mean, a different outcome like that one?

Stripping citizenship pales in comparison to being suddenly blown up by a tank busting missile while sitting next to your child.

It's another erosion of the rule of law dressed up to look as if it's doing her a favour. Bring her back, investigate, forensic psychology assessments, including her school and parents/family to understand how the hell a 15 year old ends up as she did. To leave her stateless except for a country where she faces the death penalty is not the right call

No we haven’t, perhaps read the Supreme Court decision before making such claims.

Yes, why not?

If she has committed any crimes she needs to stand trial and face whatever the penalty is for them.

if she hasn't, then she can live where she wants.

My next door neighbour, for all I know is a murderer out on licence, or a sex offender (I have no reason to think they are anything of the sort!).

A 15 year old has enough brain development to understand that killing someone is wrong. That enslaving someone is wrong and that engaging in activities against your country would be illegal.

You can argue she was a child and groomed all day long but she made her choices and she made them knowing that there would be consequences. Unless she has a developmental delay or mental disability that would mean she was mentally younger than her age at the time or was impaired, she knew right from wrong and can rot.

She was a child.

When it comes to boys/young men people on here are quick to spout the brain does not fully develop until you are 25 years old.
But a 15 year old girl is seen as having been a fully grown adult.

We aren't talking about judging whether walking home alone is safe at a particular time. We are talking about whether it is ok to blow people up because they don't adhere to your beliefs. Murder. Most five year olds could tell you that was wrong.

Like the 15 year olds in Rochdale who 'chose' to have 'older boyfriends' you mean? They should have known better as well?

In the documentary I saw she didn’t seem that remorseful and she still wasn’t being honest about what happened. Although it’s not easy, I still think it’s the right decision.

Far too many do gooders on here, and that's the problem.

I doubt you would feel the same if she came back committed a terror attack that killed thousands.

I'm pleased she's not coming back and the UK has finally found some bollocks at last.

There are plenty of British citizens who are morally repugnant to me. That doesn't mean they should be stripped of citizenship.

I watched the recent BBC TV program featuring her (now) and the over all impression was of calculated denial and manipulation.

Decision is the right one.

She should be treated in the same way as any other British citizen, and if she is a danger to the public that should be treated as any other British citizen planning a terror attack.

I don't normally like it when parents get blamed for their nearly grown up childrens' actions, but this is a lesson for certain communities who decide to come to the UK for a better quality of life, but refuse to allow their children to assimilate into UK society.

Someone asked if this would have happened if she'd been white and had American parents. It wouldn't, but because it is highly unlikely that she would have been been drawn into ISIS. She would have been allowed to be a normal Western teenager.

However, I agree that stripping someone of their citizenship is highly suspect and I think that the decision will be reversed at some point, and then she will come back to the UK, face trial and spend a long time in jail.

I think it is the right decision.

She has expressed no remorse and I think, perhaps sadly for her, a important line to draw in the sand for others to see and consider consequences of their actions

Like the 15 year olds in Rochdale who 'chose' to have 'older boyfriends' you mean? They should have known better as well

Being groomed and raped is a bit different to choosing to go to a far off country to live with terrorists.

The message it sends if she had won is worse than ‘what does this mean for others…?’ Errr maybe don’t join a death cult?