Shamima Begum lost her appeal....

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Just heard on BBC news a reporter said one reason is that she has shown zero remorse and spoke exactly like other extremists - still. Whilst it us unfortunate fir her...
I think it's the right decision given the circumstances....what are your thoughts?

I find your comment shameful… she grew up here, lived here, went to school here.. it definitely is her country. There is no difference between her and other British children who have been groomed. Also she has admitted some remorse, I don’t know why you think she hasn’t. Are you really saying her language doesn’t suit you and you would have preferred her to beg to Boris Johnson? I think that’s an unreasonable expectation of someone very young, who has had a life of disadvantage and extreme trauma coupled with a poor education. The human approach should be one of rehabilitation rather than pure vitriol. x

What @FoxFeatures said.
Lots of Criminals (who weren't 15 when groomed and then abused themselves) fail to Show remorse. Do we strip them of citizenship and wash our hands of them? Of course we don't.
If she was a white middle class girl I've got a strong feeling this outcome would have been different.

Is she likeable? No? Has she done awful things? Undoubtedly

She should face our own criminal justice system and be punished here. That's our responsibility.

Me too. If she had reflected on her actions. was genuinely remorseful and upset about her actions, I could show some sympathy and agree she was radicalised. We all do stupid things at 15 that we shouldn't be punished for for the rest of our lives. I was arrested at a similar age for shoplifting but I was treated leniantly given my age and the mistake hasn't followed me round. Obviously stealing a couple of lippys from Boots is not on the same scale but you get my drift.

But she seems so cold and unremorseful. I saw the interview on the TV and she didn't even seem that upset about her dead babies. Most people would be getting upset and tearful by that stage, but not Shamima Begum.

I wonder why a 22 year old woman is such a threat when tons of other ISIS fighters were permitted to return to this country?

I think it's appalling that we are allowed to just dump our problem people like this. She is our problem to deal with, no one else's, and just washing our hands of her is not the right move.

Absolutely the right decision. She didn’t just go and make a “little mistake” as other teenagers do - she willingly went and supported this murderous, bloodthirsty regime to whatever extent and crucially, as an adult, showed no remorse for her actions whatsoever until she was advised it could benefit her situation. I don’t believe there would be any support for a male in this kind of situation. And as an aside - I don’t think she’d be safe back in the UK and why should any money be paid towards her security.

You fly with the crows, you get shot with the crows.

I'm going to guess that is better than a Syrian refugee camp.

To those who are playing their violins saying she was 15. So what? Yeah I feel bad for 15 year olds who are groomed sexually but not ones who think it’ll be fun to behead people.
Zero fucks given from me.

@Rocket1982

IMO it's the wrong decision but the reason has nothing to do with Shamina Begum or her individual case. The reason it is a wrong decision is that the UK have made one of their own citizens a stateless refugee and have made her somebody else's problem. She was born, brought up and radicalised in the UK and we need to take responsibility for our own citizens and not leave them for other countries (who are poorer and have less resources) to deal with. I actually think it is outrageous.

I would pretty much agree with this, if she was even SLIGHTLY sorry, but she's not. She is arrogant and entitled and shows NO remorse or contrition. She can NOT come back to the UK. She doesn't DESERVE to come back to the UK. She can jog on!

I agree with you. But I suspect there's an element of unspoken reality - the lack of confidence in the law that we have could prevent her becoming a threat eventually within the country. I don't have that confidence myself. The law is too lenient to lots of criminals.

They aren’t? I know it’s estimated some have sneaked back but they’ve caught some and haven’t stopped looking.

For me it’s not about sympathy for her or being a “softie”.

She was born here. She grew up here. She was educated in our system. She was radicalised under the radar of our security services. She was able to leave the country as a minor under the watch of our border security.

She is, and should remain, our problem.

Would people be happy if Bangladesh or Syria or another country foisted responsibility for a person who grew up in their country onto us? I bet not…

and there’s not a hope we’d either be trying, or succeeding, to foist her onto the USA, Canada, France, Germany Australia etc if her parents were linked there.

Please do some reading on the brains of adolescents and young adults and their decision making skills . It’s fascinating stuff.

The argument that she was a child is without merit.

She may have been a child when she knowingly joined a terrorist organisation but she was an adult when she justified the Manchester bombings.

Lots of adult criminals have fucked up childhoods, should we excuse the crimes they committed as adults because they were abused/groomed/<insert word of choice> as children?

And I don’t believe there ever were any babies. Even the one they showed in the refugee camp which apparently died the day after it was filmed I don’t believe was her’s. The detachment was just too obvious.

Absolutely agree 100% without any doubt it’s the right decision.

@TheLastDreamOfTheOak

If she was a white middle class girl I've got a strong feeling this outcome would have been different.

FFS here we go. Didn't take long did it? 🙄

I do care about the precedent set in law by this that might then knock on to affect a far more deserving case.

Shes not setting a precedent, we’ve been doing this since 1983. If we let her back, and give her citizenship back that would be setting a precedent and one which might then open the door to even more dangerous terrorists returning.

You need to have a read of the Jack Letts case. White, British-born man - white parents, one British, one Canadian.

He became known as Jihadi Jack and in 2019 his British citizenship was revoked. A white, British man who had been living in Oxford when radicalised.

His parents sent him £200 at one point and were prosecuted for assisting terrorism, and sentenced to 15 months in jail (suspended to 12 months). They weren't intending to support terrorism and have always condemned him in the strongest terms - but they had the book thrown at them.

This isn't about the colour of Begum's skin, or her sex.

I’m glad - groomed/not groomed to be quite honest I am not sure I believe she was but have given the situation and her the benefit of doubt the correct decision has been made, if she was ever allowed back to the UK I don’t want my taxes to be used to make her safe (which they would be) she made her bed and I’m happy for her to lie in it, don’t her parents have radical contacts??

Now hopefully she can piss off and stop filling up my news feed with her drivel about how bloody hard done by she is

Her deep-seated lack of compassion for others makes her too expensive to meaningfully rehabilitate. It would just be another bright, psychopath thinking she has managed to outsmart the system. It is a huge cost our failing prison system could do without.

Zero fucks from me too. Over 8 years of teenage to adult brainwashing vs 15 years of clueless childhood?

there’s no hope in even trying . The damage has been done. She doesn’t have any real remorse. You cant just reverse the horror.

If you've been groomed for x amount of time, are you expected to suddenly not think the things you've been groomed to think overnight?

She is clearly fucked up and potentially a danger. But nobody has suggested she come back and go off to live happily somewhere. This is about her having her citizenship revoked and that's it.

Reaching..................... 🙄

@MissHavishamsMouldyOldCake I am a first generation Brit who is not white and I am really pleased with the decision.

There is another layer of complication compared to white people committing a crime. It gives racists a reason to call out entire communities and fuels racism. I dislike any criminal but when I see a non white criminal in the media I think well you just helped stereotype your own community.

White guilt really is a thing and it actually causes illogical thinking. I am from an ex British colony. Yes I know that country was exploited but you know what there is not one person left alive who was there when it happened, who wrote policy, who fired a shot.

Do people still suffer because of racism in the UK? Yes they do and I have but it’s not an excuse to behave badly ever.

Google Jack Letts - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Letts

White, middle class - and stripped of UK residency in 2019 because he was "Jihadi Jack".

Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the decision - It's not a race thing.