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lemmein · 2023-02-15T19:14:48+00:00

Fuck it, I'm opening another one. If the mods delete it fair enough. I don't believe the menopause or even alcoholism explains a woman vanishing into thin air with no evidence left behind. This whole case stinks!

augustusglupe · 15/02/2023 20:33

MySugarBabyLove · 15/02/2023 20:28

This reminds me of those cases where someone goes to the press because social services are threatening to/have taken their baby into care and they swear blind that they’ve done nothing wrong, that they’re the victims, and social services are powerless to reply because of confidentiality.

In this case the people whipping up the media frenzy against the police have been her family and friends. Hiring Peter Falding without being honest with him, letting him go on to the news programmes with his own speculation based on what the family had told him. Setting up a gofundme to the tune of 100 grand which was only taken down because of the backlash. if there hadn’t been one what was the plan for that money?

And the partner taking part in a tv documentary to put his side across, swear that she wasn’t in the river etc etc etc and the police have been powerless to comment.

And now they have because the level of speculation which let’s face it has mostly been whipped up by the family has got out of hand and is entirely unfounded.

Now it doesn’t mean that the family are involved in her disappearance, but the family have definitely hampered the investigation and have led to a huge amount of speculation on the internet. At this point the only people I feel sorry for are the children and those family members who haven’t been seen all over the press spouting bullshit.

Agree with this

ofwarren · 15/02/2023 20:34

Bellalalala · 15/02/2023 20:32

And?

Non of them will know the ins and outs or the conversation that was had with Nicolas family or their thoughts on what information Was released.

PF is an expert who was giving an expert opinion, which he is now back tracking on because he now realises he never had the full information despite being brought in by her family.

SM was awash with stories about a family who refused to let the police search without a warrant. All stated as fact. It was wrong.

My point stands. The last few hours have proved that the police and family know more detail than the general public. Regardless of their job, celeb status or anything else. They still don’t know the details.

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Read the last paragraph
Does that read as though the family gave permission or the family were told that the police were going to release the information?

schloss · 15/02/2023 20:35

pigsinoodies · 15/02/2023 20:26

He started his search at the weir and searched towards the sea. Only after doing that did he search closer to the bench. All the while saying that a body wouldn't have moved anyway.

Where are you suggesting he would have started searching if he'd known she was menopausal? What difference would it have made? Suicide has always been the most likely scenario anyway - and it was HIM who was hung up on the decoy.

Now what possible reason could a woman struggling with menopause have to create a decoy in one place, knowing it will be found in minutes, and then walking a fair distance before jumping in the same river? It's utter nonsense.

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All I am saying is had he had more information and Lancs police had welcomed his assistance then the logistics of his search may have changed. I am not sure, happy to be corrected though, but I believe he was told which area to search?

If the police had stated to PF, they may have or not I don't know, we suspect this may be a suicide, and asked PF for his opinion on search areas, the search may have been undertaken differently? This is what I understand from PF recent comments.

Suzi888 · 15/02/2023 20:36

@Bellalalala that’s not my point. My point is that her ovaries have no bearing on WHERE she actually is…. how useful is it for us to know about her ovaries…. I think it’s deplorable.

@Sep200024 I don’t think the go fund me was odd. The family are losing income. Maybe they wanted money for a search. Who knows.

@TigeToo the dog couldn’t get past the kissing gate.

MegaManic · 15/02/2023 20:36

ofwarren · 15/02/2023 20:26

twitter.com/stellacreasy/status/1625919564797050885?t=8QkaT_-S8GK2SC9I45zbRw&s=19

Stella Creasy MP
The decision to disclose this level of detail on a missing person's private life, with no evidence that this is assisting in finding her, is deeply troubling. The police need to be much clearer as to why any of this helps find Nicola Bulley or support this investigation.

I would suggest the reason it was released was

the media likely has the story and were going to run with it anyway.
to stop the amateur sleuths turning.
to stop people wasting so much police time with their random theories about a woman they know nothing about.

170,000 people are reported missing in the UK every year many of them children in care and vulnerable adults. Most are found within a week, about 95%, but that is still a significant number of people missing. Maybe compare the media attention and police and other resource on this case to all the others.

RecoIIectionsMayVary · 15/02/2023 20:37

01R019 · 15/02/2023 20:06

@LoveMAFS if we go by the reccomemed units for a women per week, that majority of us will have "alcohol issues" it's ridiculous.

I agree.

I have a friend going through divorce, her DH dickof an ex is trying to make out she is an alcoholic because she drinks more than recommended. Objectively yes she does drink more that healthy but it doesn't have any bearing on her divorce.

Picoloangel · 15/02/2023 20:37

@RecoIIectionsMayVary i didn’t say I had blind faith in the police. I work in the criminal justice system and, believe me, I have anything but blind faith. However, I do believe that the incessant tasteless and disgusting speculation on threads like this have forced the disclosure of this distressing information. This has become a horrible past time for a lot of people. Her poor children, parents and other family members. I hope to goodness they never have to read these dreadful threads.

pissssedofff · 15/02/2023 20:37

Nicknacky · 15/02/2023 20:27

I would bet my pension the press had got wind of it and were going to run with it. Probably better for the police to do it.

There is not a chance that the media haven’t been doing their best today to find out more about her vulnerabilities

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You don't know that though and so what if the press do come out with this, is the Police's job to corroborate the headlines?

Anymore than it is for them to go through and rubbish all the SM theories and press reports.

Personally, where i live, Police coming round for welfare check, is nothing out the ordinary... didn't the Police go round to Boris Johnsons flat too after reports of a drunken row?
It may have absolutely nothing to do with whatever has happened.

@MySugarBabyLove The speculation and SM frenzy has been whipped up because people think they are the next Marple, its become self feeding, over 360 pages on MN for example, mostly pure speculation.

ofwarren · 15/02/2023 20:38

Suzi888 · 15/02/2023 20:36

@Bellalalala that’s not my point. My point is that her ovaries have no bearing on WHERE she actually is…. how useful is it for us to know about her ovaries…. I think it’s deplorable.

@Sep200024 I don’t think the go fund me was odd. The family are losing income. Maybe they wanted money for a search. Who knows.

@TigeToo the dog couldn’t get past the kissing gate.

I agree with your points but I just wanted to say that the police in the press conference said the dog COULD get past the kissing gate

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lemmein · 15/02/2023 20:38

If the police had stated to PF, they may have or not I don't know, we suspect this may be a suicide, and asked PF for his opinion on search areas, the search may have been undertaken differently? This is what I understand from PF recent comments.

Yeah, I suppose if you're working on the assumption that someone has accidentally fallen then you'd look near where their belongings were. For suicide the location of the belongings may be irrelevant.

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Nicknacky · 15/02/2023 20:39

pissssedofff · 15/02/2023 20:37

You don't know that though and so what if the press do come out with this, is the Police's job to corroborate the headlines?

Anymore than it is for them to go through and rubbish all the SM theories and press reports.

Personally, where i live, Police coming round for welfare check, is nothing out the ordinary... didn't the Police go round to Boris Johnsons flat too after reports of a drunken row?
It may have absolutely nothing to do with whatever has happened.

@MySugarBabyLove The speculation and SM frenzy has been whipped up because people think they are the next Marple, its become self feeding, over 360 pages on MN for example, mostly pure speculation.

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So you don’t think it’s better that that information is released in a controlled way rather than with a salacious, media twist on it? I do.

And I made no mention of the welfare check, by the way.

Mygosh · 15/02/2023 20:40

I can't understand why nobody mentioned this woman is vulnerable to begin with. The interview seems like a complete lie, 'everything was normal'.

No way should the police have given this much detail though. No wonder they think she fell into the river.

I'm not saying she was drunk, nobody knows. All I know is, living in a small village, people drink drive all the time because the risk of being caught is pretty low.

Bellalalala · 15/02/2023 20:40

ofwarren · 15/02/2023 20:34

Read the last paragraph
Does that read as though the family gave permission or the family were told that the police were going to release the information?

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The point flew right over your head.

Thata the point we don’t know.

They could hav explained to the family and the family agreed. They could have explained and the family decided, since it was becoming more and more talked about, that they wanted the police to do it.

The family could have decided that since Nicola was struggling, talking about what she was struggling with may highlight how badly some women suffer with menopause and might saved someone else.

Or they may have complete disagreed and not wanted it to come out and be upset.

Thats the point. No one knows. It doesn’t explicitly say what the family think about the decision. So anyone showing faux outrage on twitter because they assumed the police did this without the families support, don’t know the facts. Because non of us do. Why assume they didn’t support the decision?

But it’s a great way to get some attention on social media, I suppose.

Non of it means that people being outraged on social media are actually correct.

pissssedofff · 15/02/2023 20:40

@MegaManic Ever heard of Don't feed the Troll?

The more you give SM/people the more it feeds speculation and conspiracy, they have an insatiable appetite for scandal, real or imagined.

MissWings · 15/02/2023 20:40

@Suzi888

I was actually taking you seriously but your incessant and relentless use of the word “ovaries” it just ridiculous. They have mentioned menopause not “ovaries”.

ofwarren · 15/02/2023 20:40

twitter.com/Editorialz/status/1625957435142709249?t=x-mCK2bvM9QBjL1sLuQJjA&s=19

Edward White
Journalist and Human Rights Activist
"Orchestrating a smear campaign in a beleagured attempt to sully Nicola Bulley's reputation, points to a new low in this whole investigation. Whoever is responsible for leaking that information needs to take a serious look at themselves and step back."

01R019 · 15/02/2023 20:42

@RecoIIectionsMayVary how awful for your friend. Fingers crossed for her 💐

TiddyTidTwo · 15/02/2023 20:42

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Suzi888 · 15/02/2023 20:42

@ofwarren thank you - I had not realised Willow could get passed the gate… apologies to the other poster.

TokyoSushi · 15/02/2023 20:43

Ah yes @confounded234 agreed.

confounded234 · 15/02/2023 20:43

Mygosh · 15/02/2023 20:40

I can't understand why nobody mentioned this woman is vulnerable to begin with. The interview seems like a complete lie, 'everything was normal'.

No way should the police have given this much detail though. No wonder they think she fell into the river.

I'm not saying she was drunk, nobody knows. All I know is, living in a small village, people drink drive all the time because the risk of being caught is pretty low.

I agree. Why peddle that line when he knew it wasn't normal?

Peverellshire · 15/02/2023 20:43

RecoIIectionsMayVary · 15/02/2023 20:37

I agree.

I have a friend going through divorce, her DH dickof an ex is trying to make out she is an alcoholic because she drinks more than recommended. Objectively yes she does drink more that healthy but it doesn't have any bearing on her divorce.

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I am sure the recent news as below would have reminded your friend of how things are not always as they seem in these sorts of divorce proceedings/ anything similar:

metro.co.uk/2023/02/08/emma-pattison-was-arrested-after-row-with-husband-years-before-death-18249909/

George Pattison, 39, phoned police alleging his wife Emma Pattison, 45, slapped him around the face just before midnight, according to Sky News.

Two minutes later, Mr Pattison dialled 999 again to ask officers not to come as it was a ‘trivial matter and he had overreacted’, the news channel reported.

Officers visited their home in Caterham, Surrey, regardless and arrested Mrs Pattison on suspicion of common assault.

She was questioned in the early hours before being released free of charge.

Police were told the couple was undergoing counselling to overcome their marital problems.

Bellalalala · 15/02/2023 20:43

Suzi888 · 15/02/2023 20:36

@Bellalalala that’s not my point. My point is that her ovaries have no bearing on WHERE she actually is…. how useful is it for us to know about her ovaries…. I think it’s deplorable.

@Sep200024 I don’t think the go fund me was odd. The family are losing income. Maybe they wanted money for a search. Who knows.

@TigeToo the dog couldn’t get past the kissing gate.

No one said her ovaries did have anything to with where she was.

But her state of mind, might change where she is or where they should look.

Why are people pretending there’s not huge focus on how menopause is ruining some women’s lives and mental health?

pigsinoodies · 15/02/2023 20:44

schloss · 15/02/2023 20:35

All I am saying is had he had more information and Lancs police had welcomed his assistance then the logistics of his search may have changed. I am not sure, happy to be corrected though, but I believe he was told which area to search?

If the police had stated to PF, they may have or not I don't know, we suspect this may be a suicide, and asked PF for his opinion on search areas, the search may have been undertaken differently? This is what I understand from PF recent comments.

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But he'd decided she wasn't in the river before he'd ever spoken to the family or police. And even after searching he's been adamant that if she'd been below the weir the body would have sunk to the bottom and it would have moved very little due to the ebb and flow of the tide.

So where is he suggesting that she went in that would have made any difference? Miles away? Why not drive there if you're actually going to commit suicide? Why not take the dog and leave it at the real scene? What possible reason is there to set up a fake suicide at the bench before really doing it elsewhere?

The whole scenario is nonsensical but not as nonsensical as PF's ridiculous backtracking

Suzi888 · 15/02/2023 20:44

@MissWings bloody menopause then. 🤦🏼‍♀️ Christ when your own ovaries feel like they’re about to rip it’s difficult to keep a lid on it!