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lemmein · 2023-02-15T19:14:48+00:00

Fuck it, I'm opening another one. If the mods delete it fair enough. I don't believe the menopause or even alcoholism explains a woman vanishing into thin air with no evidence left behind. This whole case stinks!

Diverging · 15/02/2023 20:24

Occam’s razor and all that.

But would Occam’s razor say she was in the river most likely? There is no evidence at all that she is. Where is she?

pissssedofff · 15/02/2023 20:25

Beyond belief the Police have released this information.

So what if SM has been awash with speculation etc etc the Police should not be so weak and lily livered and bow to pressure, they have trashed this poor woman's reputation and tbh all women, now just a bunch of hormonally challenged alkie crazies.

It really does make me wonder if they have a clue what they doing.

TiddyTidTwo · 15/02/2023 20:25

"Ah well if twitter and the slebs day so it must be true - they are explain why they came to the conclusion they did seeing as everyone is criticising them for not doing enough.
As for PF I'm sure he was only trying to help but ultimately it wasn't up to the police to share anything with him. He was working with the family, why didn't they mention it."

Ah well, Twitter, MN and all other social media there ARE real people who comment.

They haven't done enough. This new revelation they thought would take the heat off. How utterly ignorant of them.

Crumpetdisappointment · 15/02/2023 20:25

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why are you looking him up?

Bellalalala · 15/02/2023 20:25

ofwarren · 15/02/2023 20:21

What? That doesn't even make sense
The 'slebs' are angry that Nicola's personal information has been given to the general public. Nothing to do with being true or untrue, that's their opinion on it.

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Except they don’t know why it was released.

Just like 3 hours ago, these details weren’t widely known.

If the Police and/or family for wind these details were going to be leaked anyway, they may have decided to explain first to stop all the ridiculous speculation.

They informed the family what they were doing and at the moment we have no indication the family objected or didn’t support them disclosing this at this time.

So why would ‘celebs’ be going mad about anything. When this whole situation proves, the general public do not know all the details.

MegaManic · 15/02/2023 20:26

@ofwarren they cannot win whatever they do. They released that info because it was important to the case and because they have amateur sleuths turning up all the time and criticising the police when they don't know the full facts of the case. The fact is if Nicola had a problem with alcohol to the extent that she had a police visit for a welfare check it is possible she was really struggling and that is important for the case.

@Goldpaw That is fine but and that is what he did because he didn't have all the relevant info so why is PF blaming the police for not telling him.

pigsinoodies · 15/02/2023 20:26

schloss · 15/02/2023 20:19

@pigsinoodies Confounded234 has answered already with similar thoughts to mine.

Knowing PF has been involved in previous cases and has been used by other police forces I tend to believe he would have been useful in this instance especially if Lancs police had been more open to him being involved.

As to the change in the logistics of the search - an accidental fall into the river, close to where the police had stated meant PF used his search skills and sonar in areas where he would have expected a body to be, if and it is a big if, the information provided today may have indicated an entry to the water but in a different place and with possible deliberate intent, I believe he would have used his experience to ascertain where a body may have travelled to and searched accordingly.

There would also be the use of his experience, along with police search teams, to possibly work backwards and ascertain, if a person were to go into the water on purpose, where the most likely place be and from that how would the flow of the river/tidal events after the weir affect where it would travel to.

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He started his search at the weir and searched towards the sea. Only after doing that did he search closer to the bench. All the while saying that a body wouldn't have moved anyway.

Where are you suggesting he would have started searching if he'd known she was menopausal? What difference would it have made? Suicide has always been the most likely scenario anyway - and it was HIM who was hung up on the decoy.

Now what possible reason could a woman struggling with menopause have to create a decoy in one place, knowing it will be found in minutes, and then walking a fair distance before jumping in the same river? It's utter nonsense.

ofwarren · 15/02/2023 20:26

twitter.com/stellacreasy/status/1625919564797050885?t=8QkaT_-S8GK2SC9I45zbRw&s=19

Stella Creasy MP
The decision to disclose this level of detail on a missing person's private life, with no evidence that this is assisting in finding her, is deeply troubling. The police need to be much clearer as to why any of this helps find Nicola Bulley or support this investigation.

Peverellshire · 15/02/2023 20:26

confounded234 · 15/02/2023 20:15

She have had to walk down past the weir. The water was even shallower past the weir. It was low tide. It honestly beggars belief that she could walk all the way towards the sea when her phone was at the bench at 9.20. Unless..... the phone was misdirection from her....or someone else. To give her time to get away while attention was focused elsewhere or give someone else time.

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I hope the police will look again, extremely closely, just to rule all witnesses completely out of the picture and any, possible, third party scenario, and not let any preconception at all cloud their judgement.

I can see that Nicola may have staged her own 'abduction' so her children, especially, wouldn't have to suffer thinking she had taken their own life.

I also feel that Nicola was highly intelligent and may have had a carefully laid, plan of some kind. Hopefully the police will be able to have a much clearer idea with her social media etc. This may be very useful at shining a light on the true picture, whatever that looked like.

It's incredibly sad, I feel she may have had a lot more about her than some of the others around her, even, and not recognised this.

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 15/02/2023 20:26

Goldpaw · 15/02/2023 19:33

I'm so angry that the police have been searching for a dead menopausal alcoholic and not the person Nicola Bulley. So angry.

You don't actually know anything about Nicola OR the police investigation. You do realise that, don't you?

01R019 · 15/02/2023 20:27

Coffeeandcake15 · 15/02/2023 20:18

The statement said: "It is an unusual step for us to take to go into this level of detail about someone's private life, but we felt it was important to clarify what we meant when we talked about vulnerabilities to avoid any further speculation or misinterpretation.

"We have explained to Nicola's family why we have released this further information and we would ask that their privacy is respected at this difficult time."

^^To avoid further speculation, also I think because of the resources that went into the investigation, when you think of the many people who go missing, the resources are nowhere as huge as this case.

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Assuming they aren't stupid. They know full well this would be discussed and speculated about even further, they've opened up her private life for everyone to discuss, but want people to respect their privacy. But while we are all supposed to be discussing her vulnerabilities, it's stopping people discussing the shit show of an investigation they've carried out.

That's what I think anyway.

SilverGlitterBaubles · 15/02/2023 20:27

Coffeeandcake15 · 15/02/2023 20:22

I saw there was also an incident on the 10th January where health professionals and the police were called to the property but it doesn’t disclose what happened, rightly. I guess this means the investigation can potentially head in a different direction.

This woman clearly had some struggles, we will never know what exactly. It seems like she masked them really well as so many do and managed to appear to be doing ok to the outside world. No one ever really knows what goes on behind closed doors. I really hope she is ok and gets back to her family soon.

Nicknacky · 15/02/2023 20:27

pissssedofff · 15/02/2023 20:25

Beyond belief the Police have released this information.

So what if SM has been awash with speculation etc etc the Police should not be so weak and lily livered and bow to pressure, they have trashed this poor woman's reputation and tbh all women, now just a bunch of hormonally challenged alkie crazies.

It really does make me wonder if they have a clue what they doing.

I would bet my pension the press had got wind of it and were going to run with it. Probably better for the police to do it.

There is not a chance that the media haven’t been doing their best today to find out more about her vulnerabilities

Peverellshire · 15/02/2023 20:28

ofwarren · 15/02/2023 20:26

twitter.com/stellacreasy/status/1625919564797050885?t=8QkaT_-S8GK2SC9I45zbRw&s=19

Stella Creasy MP
The decision to disclose this level of detail on a missing person's private life, with no evidence that this is assisting in finding her, is deeply troubling. The police need to be much clearer as to why any of this helps find Nicola Bulley or support this investigation.

Thank you very much for sharing this, ofwarren, I am glad this is being taken seriously.

ofwarren · 15/02/2023 20:28

Bellalalala · 15/02/2023 20:25

Except they don’t know why it was released.

Just like 3 hours ago, these details weren’t widely known.

If the Police and/or family for wind these details were going to be leaked anyway, they may have decided to explain first to stop all the ridiculous speculation.

They informed the family what they were doing and at the moment we have no indication the family objected or didn’t support them disclosing this at this time.

So why would ‘celebs’ be going mad about anything. When this whole situation proves, the general public do not know all the details.

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It's not just 'celebs' though is it. It's MPs, Barristers, Professors in Criminology etc

Peverellshire · 15/02/2023 20:28

Nicknacky · 15/02/2023 20:27

I would bet my pension the press had got wind of it and were going to run with it. Probably better for the police to do it.

There is not a chance that the media haven’t been doing their best today to find out more about her vulnerabilities

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Yes, you're likely spot on, police cars in the road etc, in Jan..

MySugarBabyLove · 15/02/2023 20:28

This reminds me of those cases where someone goes to the press because social services are threatening to/have taken their baby into care and they swear blind that they’ve done nothing wrong, that they’re the victims, and social services are powerless to reply because of confidentiality.

In this case the people whipping up the media frenzy against the police have been her family and friends. Hiring Peter Falding without being honest with him, letting him go on to the news programmes with his own speculation based on what the family had told him. Setting up a gofundme to the tune of 100 grand which was only taken down because of the backlash. if there hadn’t been one what was the plan for that money?

And the partner taking part in a tv documentary to put his side across, swear that she wasn’t in the river etc etc etc and the police have been powerless to comment.

And now they have because the level of speculation which let’s face it has mostly been whipped up by the family has got out of hand and is entirely unfounded.

Now it doesn’t mean that the family are involved in her disappearance, but the family have definitely hampered the investigation and have led to a huge amount of speculation on the internet. At this point the only people I feel sorry for are the children and those family members who haven’t been seen all over the press spouting bullshit.

TokyoSushi · 15/02/2023 20:29

I'm not sure I've ever known an investigation like this one, it seems to have gone completely out of control. Poor Nicola.

JazzyGeoff · 15/02/2023 20:29

Nicknacky · 15/02/2023 20:27

I would bet my pension the press had got wind of it and were going to run with it. Probably better for the police to do it.

There is not a chance that the media haven’t been doing their best today to find out more about her vulnerabilities

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Before today I'd seen at least three hints/ mentions of her drinking on social media. I imagine a story wasn't far off

Merkins · 15/02/2023 20:30

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To avoid his account being found by abusive morons, I suspect.

MarshaBradyo · 15/02/2023 20:32

Nicknacky · 15/02/2023 20:27

I would bet my pension the press had got wind of it and were going to run with it. Probably better for the police to do it.

There is not a chance that the media haven’t been doing their best today to find out more about her vulnerabilities

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As soon as they mentioned it the press would try to find out more and run with it.

Not sure why they did in the first place

Goldpaw · 15/02/2023 20:32

@MySugarBabyLove

Jeez, talk about victim blaming!

confounded234 · 15/02/2023 20:32

TokyoSushi · 15/02/2023 20:29

I'm not sure I've ever known an investigation like this one, it seems to have gone completely out of control. Poor Nicola.

MM, but that was a very different situation...

Nicknacky · 15/02/2023 20:32

MarshaBradyo · 15/02/2023 20:32

As soon as they mentioned it the press would try to find out more and run with it.

Not sure why they did in the first place

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Dammed if they did, dammed if they didn’t. This thread is proof of that.

Bellalalala · 15/02/2023 20:32

ofwarren · 15/02/2023 20:28

It's not just 'celebs' though is it. It's MPs, Barristers, Professors in Criminology etc

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And?

Non of them will know the ins and outs or the conversation that was had with Nicolas family or their thoughts on what information Was released.

PF is an expert who was giving an expert opinion, which he is now back tracking on because he now realises he never had the full information despite being brought in by her family.

SM was awash with stories about a family who refused to let the police search without a warrant. All stated as fact. It was wrong.

My point stands. The last few hours have proved that the police and family know more detail than the general public. Regardless of their job, celeb status or anything else. They still don’t know the details.