Nicola Bulley 10

[lemmein]

Fuck it, I'm opening another one. If the mods delete it fair enough.

I don't believe the menopause or even alcoholism explains a woman vanishing into thin air with no evidence left behind.

This whole case stinks!

It makes perfect sense as he was told one thing, either by PA or Lancs police, that she fell in the river at the bench, end of.

You know that how? The public statements have always been 'entered the water'. The police have always been clear that they had an open mind. Suicide should (and almost certainly was) always have been considered as an option and searches carried out accordingly.

Any 'expert' would have known that.

He can hardly claim that he was following the 'accident only' hypothesis when it was him who started with the 'decoy' claim and him who wants to search ditches. How on earth do either of those fit in with him taking the 'fallen in' theory as gospel.

He's a very unconvincing bullshitter.

He will have known the initial, escalated response was a red flag and if you look at the language of press conference...I knew...why didn't he?

I admire his proactivity and energy, all should put heads together and collaborate, and find her...

Wasnt there media coverage where PA and PF were in one of the search vehicles for up to an hour in deep discussion.

Perplexing

Agree about PF and he's still willing to go back and help to search for her even after all this. He genuinely really just wants to help I think.

When he mentioned whiskey bottles he wasn't talking about Nicola, he was talking about what they often find when people intentionally drown themselves. And it makes sense that people would drink and take pills, it would help with the process wouldn't it.

I'm afraid this guy has more experience than more or less anyone in the field. He was given no details by the police and a less than full picture by PA. This guy works with the police every day.

I repeat. The ONLY reason the police think she went in the water is that the phone and dog were left there. Expert consensus seems to be that it's pretty much impossible for to have drowned there. So if she didn't drown there, where did she drown and how did she manage to leave the dog there and do it without being seen. To get into deeper water I think she'd have had to walk a few miles.

I am also open to the notion that the police are playing a long game here and can't share very much at all. But who knows, they might just be incompetent and more interested in saving face then finding Nicola.

No, he was doing exactly what he did with his comments about dogs howling at the water and things left as decoy - bullshiting, feeding speculation, and bigging-up his 'expert knowledge'.

And it sounded like PF specifically asked him.

We'll have to disagree on this. But one reason for him mentioning a decoy is because it's happened before in case he was involved with. A woman went missing by a river, and a shoe was found there. The police assumed she went in the river. In the end, her body was found on dry land and she'd been murdered.

I think the police were doing lane searchers as well quite early on. That’s what it sounded like from yesterdays press conference.

land searches

She had many hours to walk a few miles downstream along the riverbank or in the shallow river until she got to deeper water - what time did the helicopter go up ? Sometime after 12:30 - she could have walked 9 miles.

..and the shoe had been placed there as a decoy. Sorry forgot to add that key bit!

Yeah, funnily enough I've heard that anecdote from him about 3,000 times for the last two weeks. I'm sure that woman's family are overjoyed to have it brought up so often as part of his self-publicity campaign.

Can you imagine a serving police officer behaving like that?

He may be right on the decoy - but it might have been set up by NB herself to suggest accidental drowning at that place whilst she took herself off somewhere else .

I’m sorry but people defending PF?!?? Wtf. Even I realise that traumatised family may not be totally transparent so I’d probably be asking questions subtlety to gauge if suicide was an option. It should naturally be assumed to be one anyway!

We’re really suggesting police should give out confidential information to civilians ie PF?!? Can you imagine the backlash!! Her partner as the client should have told PF but it’s obvious to most why he didn’t. PF has now backtracked on everything he’s said trying to blame everyobe but himself. He’s even said in one interview she could have gone over the weir from bench area something he asserted was impossible 🙈.

I could have probably done a better job 🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️

Would she not have been caught on cctv a bit lower down the river, or seen by someone if walking miles.

CCTV in open countryside?

Nobody was questioning why the police sprung into action immediately, so them releasing that information yesterday to explain why she was considered high-risk from day one doesn't make sense. I had assumed it was a high-risk case because a mum had gone missing leaving her dog/phone on site. I would expect the police to act immediately. This is not why they released that info - absolute bullshit.

People were questioning why they were so focused on the river, despite intensive searches coming up with nothing. A menopausal women who has some drink issues doesn't automatically mean she's taken her own life (which is very much what they're implying!) nor are they protective factors from harm. They can say they're keeping an open mind as much as they want, they can pretend their words have been misconstrued by the press - but they've said pretty much from day one she's in that river. As the days are ticking by and she's still not been found they're looking pretty desperate/stupid now.

The SIO was clearly rattled during the presser, she dodged the questions about the bench/red van/fishermen - the last 2 I can understand with it being an ongoing enquiry, but the bench still being in situ with the world and his wife traipsing all over it is a pretty big mistake to make if your river hypothesis is wrong.

Their whole hypothesis seems to stem from Nikki experiencing menopause issues - that should concern us all. They released that info yesterday to take the heat off themselves which is pretty fucking appalling.

And why do they keep going on about 'paths' - 'she was not seen on the path covered by cctv' - have these people never cut across a field? Jumped over a fence? Not everyone uses designated entrances/exits ffs - especially if they don't want to be seen.

A water-loving dog doesn't just sit nicely waiting whilst you go off to drown yourself in a shallow river 🙄

Whole thing reeks.

Yes and if it is suicide but somewhere else in the river then there's not other explanation for the phone there. It's a decoy, deliberate or otherwise.

Problem is, just because police focused on her vulnerabitlies does not mean that there has been no third party involvement. And I hope the police are not just focuing on suicide when there still is no evidence for that.

I thought a bit lower down could be picked up by cctv from one of the roads. Not sure why I thought that, it might have been said in the press conference.

I agree 100% with this.

What if NB was an AA member? When sober, they can often be high achieving, driven individuals. The good at running and the job fit with that. Plus, if they do relapse after years of sobriety, they often go off the rails spectacularly. Just a thought.

The cameras are at the grapes. If she crossed the road via the bridge or under the bridge (this would have to be in the water, bearing in mind this part is shallower than near the bench) she would be in complete open countryside, all the way to Lancaster if she wanted to.