Nicola Bulley 10

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Fuck it, I'm opening another one. If the mods delete it fair enough.

I don't believe the menopause or even alcoholism explains a woman vanishing into thin air with no evidence left behind.

This whole case stinks!

www.gbnews.uk/news/nicola-bulley-forensic-expert-calls-for-second-search-of-river-in-light-of-fresh-details-on-disappearance/443386

Peter Faulding wants to search the river again

The Police will have a corporate comms team / media team advising them. I work in comms (not for the police). Either Lancashire comms team are giving incredibly poor advice, or they are being overruled by senior officers who think they know best.

@TabithaTiger thank you, is interesting. Peter Faulding in his interview this morning seemed to lay the blame at the comms team.

FFS that man is shameless. Why mention whiskey bottles?

He's absolute scum.

I've got time for Peter but I think he really needs to stop now. It's not helpful.

I can recall an image of PF, PA and the Police all in discussion on the edge of the river during the search.

Its is a real error of judgement that they were all stood there seemingly witholding vital information from each other wasting precious moments that should have been spent thoroughly searching in the right areas

^ This

So what will happen now? Are they still gonna search or just stop and put her into forever missing persons? regardless of the story here, there has to come a time when this level of resource is scaled back.

It is neither realistic nor reasonable to keep up this level of search for an indefinite period of time.

I agree. He also already did a search below the weir. Is he now saying he didn’t do it properly because he’d already made up his mind she wasn’t in there. Absolute prat insisting if he said she wasn’t there, then she wasn’t.

Surely PF from his extensive experience of working with the police over decades would have noted the unusually escalated and extensive SAR and worked out that this was a high risk category?

He could have asked questions?

Is PF still going to do his search of potential deposition / burial land sites?

@plumduck I don't know, I liked yours too.

And the only place where people are claiming she’s been referred to as a raging alcoholic is on MN. Nowhere has anyone publicly suggested that. Nowhere. People are spinning the line that the police have said she was a raging menopausal alcoholic in order to justify their disagreement that this would have been made public at all.

I dunno, alcohol issues is a less direct way of saying alcoholic. The consensus across media, experts, and politicians of all parties is that this was not a suitable thing to be made public.

news.sky.com/video/in-full-police-make-statement-on-nicola-bulley-following-her-disappearance-12802267

Feb. 3. Listen to the question at 15’55” and the answer from Supt. Sally Riley.

Asked if there were other factors, if Nicola was taking medication, Sally Riley replied that they are looking at the whole picture and that it is not relevant.

So a complete about turn from the police now.

As for PF, he was brought in by PA, he was working against the police, not for them, hence why he went in there and started spouting his theories from the outset which deliberately undermined the police.

he was working off of what PA told him, the police were at that point not at liberty to tell him about Nicola’s vulnerabilities not least because he had a habit of shouting his mouth off to all who would have listened. You only have to look at his responses now to see that he’s not exactly discrete.

So if anyone needed to tell him that Nicola was vulnerable, it should have been PA. And it’s not unreasonable to ask why he didn’t.

He's also repeatedly said that a body below the weir wouldn't have moved far because of the shallow water and tides.

The potential for suicide was always there anyway, even if the hypothesis offered by the police was a tragic accident. And the fact that he wanted to go and search ditches etc. shows that he always knew not to discount other options, even before he's searched. He's just backtracking now to try and cover his foolish comments.

And having introduced the idea of a 'decoy' he's now introduced the idea of whiskey bottles by the river. Disgusting.

I don't see the problem. He is talking about his experience of suicide in rivers. It may not be palatable to some people but I doubt very much he's making it up.

It makes perfect sense as he was told one thing, either by PA or Lancs police, that she fell in the river at the bench, end of.

Now it has changed to no, she could have jumped in anywhere in the river, so he is just saying what this means.

I frankly think he is one of the few people who have talked logical sense. Mark Williams-Thomas also agrees that he can't see how she went in the river by the bench.

This means if she went in the river, she probably went in elsewhere. But then the only reason for thinking she is in the river is the phone and the harness and dog nearby.

So this leave us with either Nicola left the phone and dog and went in somewhere else, and managed not to be seen, or the phone is a misdirection, either by her, or a third party

I remember as a child (early 80’s) a relative who died from suicide and my grandma discussing with my mum and aunt that she died from “the change”. Obviously this was a lack of understanding but it shows in my grandma’s generation suicide was associated or linked to menopause without really understanding why.

Normally I'd agree but I would expect a man to wear a jacket over a shirt for such a press conference. I don't think expecting formality is wrong in such a grave situation.

Well, quite, to me it was evident from the response and the press conference beforehand, and all that had been said, reading between the lines, so if I was with PA all day, etc?

I find it pretty hard to believe PF had no inkling. Why didn't the police who DID know, not extend search further to woods etc, initially?

The diving guy PF has every right to be annoyed and frustrated. He kindly loaned his time and services for free, it must have cost him thousands.

There is more to this story than meets the eye.

I think the police are getting a hard time. They are trying to go on practically no evidence.

Nothing of NB has been found by the bench. It's obvious she did not go into the water there. I still do not understand why they have not investigated the option that she exited via the undercover path next to the bench which goes down to the tidal park of the river.

Because Paul never told him. At all. Not once in the hours they were together. That's why. And he wasn't talking to the police because basically they wouldn't speak to him.

All egos and personal feelings need to go in pockets when a woman's life is at stake and all need to sensibly collaborate and pool expert knowledge and focus on the one goal...to find her.

You would hope so wouldn't you.

Doesn't appear the case here