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Nicola Bulley 10

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lemmein · 15/02/2023 19:14

Fuck it, I'm opening another one. If the mods delete it fair enough.

I don't believe the menopause or even alcoholism explains a woman vanishing into thin air with no evidence left behind.

This whole case stinks!

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Mirabai · 16/02/2023 08:42

@HaggisBurger

What would be the police’s motivation for a “smear campaign”??

To take the heat off them for not finding her and the way they’ve conducted their investigation of course.

It’s quite a common tactic, used more abroad. But here cf Claudia Lawrence.

BornFreeButinChains · 16/02/2023 08:46

Haggis burger one would hope.
It's quite late in the day to have realised there is weak spot where there is no cctv.

Asking for dashcsm footage after 3 weeks.....

Was willows actual lead ever found...

OscarIn · 16/02/2023 08:47

I have read the whole thread and agree so much with the below comments and feel they need highlighting.

The police are utterly deluded. With every new move they believe it will calm things down. But their deep-rooted institutional misogyny blinds them to the mess they have created and are continuing to perpetuate.

I used to think the Police were the beacon, that their arrival meant that I was safe. Personal experience as well as the activities in the courts makes it clear that this isn't the case. That institutional issues such as racism, misogyny etc are endemic. The strip searching of black teenage girls, the Whats App groups of dead women, the .... it is endless.

It's "fashionable" to criticise the police because over and over and over again they have shown themselves to be at best incompetent, and at worst, criminals themselves.

The Police are not, and must not, be above scrutiny.

^This is so important, trust in police is at an all time low. Wayne C. , the rapist cop and all the many WA groups where police officers indulge in horribly racist and sexist chats even sharing pictures of dead victims of crime, arresting women who speak out about safe spaces. And let's not forget the dozens, probably hundreds of undeserving teenage girls from troubled backgrounds who became victims of CSA and were obviously just gagging for being abused by disgusting and entitled middle aged men so didn't deserve police protection. 😡

The police force as a whole needs to be transformed and it cannot happen quickly enough. It is all about abuse of power and institutional misogyny and racism. Posters who want these threads to stop need to shut up and fuck off.

Nicola is one of us, a mum, a pet lover, a professional, a wife, sister, daughter, struggling with life in her 40s and managing it all as best she can. She disappeared form the face of the earth and sure as hell we are going to talk about it at length and as much as we like, as long as we are being respectful to those who loved her as there is no excuse fro trolling that poor family or her friends. Call it gossip we don’t care, but we do care about Nicola and her daughters and we will talk about her.

Maybe Nicola drunk too much and maybe there was an attempted suicide or an argument got out of hand a few weeks before she disappeared. But you know what? Shit Happens, we can all struggle at times and she may have additional challenges that make family life stressful. It can all be worked out.

It is incredibly inappropriate for the police to release information about her drinking, menopause and the welfare call. I have never heard that menopause is associated with drinking. The police have abused their power by releasing this information, it is absolutely disgusting, it hasn't stoped the speculations, just shifted them. I hope the SIO will be managed out and enjoy an early retirement after messing this up in such a spectacular way. They may have conducted the investigation following the police guiding principle but they sure as hell have not managed their comms at any single point during the investigation and their institutional misogyny and contempt for women has seeped out throughout. 😡

User45378754 · 16/02/2023 08:47

ThighMistress · 16/02/2023 08:33

I do think the family must have been adamant that no issues were mentioned. Who would have thought that there would be this public madness/internet sleuthing and, worst of all, tiktokkers and podcasters turning up on the scene.

It begs the question of how to manage enquiries in future balancing public interest with public mania and expectation of involvement .

I agree with this.

I suspect that they responded to pressure from PA and the family not to say “vulnerable” (even without the specific details) publicly from the start which we have seen on many previous MP appeals.

So the rapid SAR response and police direction / hypothesis didn’t make sense to the observing public.

How many times have people said this case is ‘baffling’ ‘odd’ ? It’s because the context was deliberately miscommunicated by PA and ambiguous / vague language by the police created suspicion and hyped speculation to fill a void.

I believe the polices efforts to appease PA have backfired.

confounded234 · 16/02/2023 08:47

What I don’t understand is why having immediately told the police that she struggled with alcohol and mental health issues, that PA and friends and family then proceeded to give a completely different narrative to the public and so vigorously attacked the “went in the river” narrative. It doesn’t make any sense

BornFreeButinChains · 16/02/2023 08:47

@ThighMistress

I don't understand rhe string either.

Was willows lead ever found?

Inkanta · 16/02/2023 08:48

Bellalalala · 16/02/2023 08:41

So you think the police are lying about attending as part of a master plan? The story about her struggling is part of a master plan?

Really?

Wake up! We are not allowed on here to discuss or speculate on other factors going on in her life ie. relationships, narcissistic abuse ...anything that involves a third party. So that side of things is a big question mark. I for one don't buy that the menopause at 45 is the full story.

BornFreeButinChains · 16/02/2023 08:49

Maybe because they felt although she had issues it wouldn't mean she would harm herself.

They didn't want to skew the public looking out for her?

confounded234 · 16/02/2023 08:51

Inkanta · 16/02/2023 08:48

Wake up! We are not allowed on here to discuss or speculate on other factors going on in her life ie. relationships, narcissistic abuse ...anything that involves a third party. So that side of things is a big question mark. I for one don't buy that the menopause at 45 is the full story.

Quite

Bellalalala · 16/02/2023 08:52

Inkanta · 16/02/2023 08:48

Wake up! We are not allowed on here to discuss or speculate on other factors going on in her life ie. relationships, narcissistic abuse ...anything that involves a third party. So that side of things is a big question mark. I for one don't buy that the menopause at 45 is the full story.

I didn’t ask anyone to speculate. Why don’t you wake up and read what I said.

I asked if that’s what you think they are doing. It’s a yes or no question.

If the police have another line of enquiry, they absolutely wouldn’t be lying in a press conference to throw people off the scent. It’s ridiculous. They didn’t come to the conclusion about these things from speaking to one person. And even if they are skeptical about it. That’s information they have and are working from that.

and the sort of bullshit you are posting is exactly why they have given more detail. Because the things you are hinting at, aren’t helping at all.

Pinkblanket · 16/02/2023 08:52

I think it's really interesting how there is such a polarised opinion on what level of personal information is too much and too sensitive to be released. Before the nature of the vulnerability was released by the police general opinion seemed to be that why not mention it - it's normal to hear if a missing person has diabetes or epilepsy. These are also private medical conditions that people may not wish to have disclosed to all and sundry. The fact that in this instance it is the menopause and problems with alcohol seems to given rise to some really strong reactions. Is it just dismissing women as hormonal and hysterical? Or acknowledging that this is a medical issue that can have a profound effect on women? I don't know the answer. This thread probably isn't the place for it really, I was surprised to find such a lot of discussion on her disappearance when we know so little.

BornFreeButinChains · 16/02/2023 08:56

@Bellalalala

I'm confounded that you don't see how your posts are not helping what you see is a problem.

confounded234 · 16/02/2023 08:56

Although I think the way the police have handled it has been pretty bad, unfortunately even now I would trust what the police say over the family, who gave literally demonstrated themselves to be unreliable narrators at best

Chocolated · 16/02/2023 08:58

confounded234 · 16/02/2023 08:56

Although I think the way the police have handled it has been pretty bad, unfortunately even now I would trust what the police say over the family, who gave literally demonstrated themselves to be unreliable narrators at best

Perhaps the man was just trying to protect his little girls?

BornFreeButinChains · 16/02/2023 08:59

It's because we know so little and she's disappeared in broad day light on a walk ie in the middle of something?

It's the nature of it... Seemingly plucked into thin air whilst in the middle of things.

confounded234 · 16/02/2023 08:59

Chocolated · 16/02/2023 08:58

Perhaps the man was just trying to protect his little girls?

Then why go on tv at all?

BornFreeButinChains · 16/02/2023 09:00

The family or pa is desperately trying to keep public aware of her disappearance

confounded234 · 16/02/2023 09:01

BornFreeButinChains · 16/02/2023 09:00

The family or pa is desperately trying to keep public aware of her disappearance

I would say they have been desperately trying to push the line that the police are wrong about falling in the river while being pretty economical with the truth

plumduck · 16/02/2023 09:03

confounded234 · 16/02/2023 08:59

Then why go on tv at all?

Because he wants to find her?

Chocolated · 16/02/2023 09:03

@confounded234 perhaps he wanted to keep her disappearance in the news but didn't want these details being released. I do think he should have told PF but who knows how any of us would react in this situation

CurlingMilk · 16/02/2023 09:03

confounded234 · 16/02/2023 09:01

I would say they have been desperately trying to push the line that the police are wrong about falling in the river while being pretty economical with the truth

Why would her husband and friends do that though, what would they gain from pushing the line that she is not in the river?

BornFreeButinChains · 16/02/2023 09:05

The police and private firms have searched the river and she's not there

BatsBreaktheRules · 16/02/2023 09:05

If Nicola was sailing through menopause with a few hot flushes, I very much doubt it would have been raised. Yes some of women don't struggle but a lot of women do. A lot of women struggle in silence. I get the sense that those who are diminishing the relevance of menopause haven't experienced the ravages of it themselves.

When I heard about her struggles, my absolute heart went out to her. It is not something to be ashamed of or undignified but it could explain why something went very wrong for her that morning. It is relevant.

Bellalalala · 16/02/2023 09:05

BornFreeButinChains · 16/02/2023 08:56

@Bellalalala

I'm confounded that you don't see how your posts are not helping what you see is a problem.

I am confounded that people suspecting the police are making up Information released is viewed by some as a reasonable conclusion.

Exactly who am I not helping?

I have posted that I can see why the police have done what they have done. That speculating the police have made this up is ridiculous. And that menopause damaging your mental health, isn’t unusual. It’s not a dirty word. It’s doesn’t make Nicola any less worthy. And that speculation is damaging the investigation and harmful for the family.

How is any of the ‘not helping’?

Chocolated · 16/02/2023 09:05

BornFreeButinChains · 16/02/2023 09:05

The police and private firms have searched the river and she's not there

Unfortunately she may be out at sea by now

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