Nicola Bulley 10

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Fuck it, I'm opening another one. If the mods delete it fair enough.

I don't believe the menopause or even alcoholism explains a woman vanishing into thin air with no evidence left behind.

This whole case stinks!

Yes it’s either incompetence and defensiveness or else it was done for operational reasons to rattle the cage

@Inkanta

Plenty of people have depression and anxiety without having police welfare checks at their door. I think they have made it clear the extent to which she may have been struggling. Menopausal isn’t actually a dirty word but you would think so from reading this thread. Someone even changed the word meno to ovaries potentially on this thread or another.

What is the fact that she is 45 got to do with it?

Many women are going through menopause at that age.

Why not mention menopause? Do we know the family would have been happier with ‘anxiety and depression being used’? Why should anxiety and depression be used as a code for menopause?

The alcohol angle had already started being spread on SM. So why not get ahead of it?

If they hadn’t, within hours people would have been wanting to know why they were hiding it.

But for many, many women menopause brings no issues. And for women who do have issues there may not be a mental health aspect to it - just physical annoyances - hot flushes and heavy or unpredictable periods.

We have absolutely no idea whether there was a mental element to NB’s menopause issues - it sounds as if the alcohol issues pre-dated that.

There is always speculation around a disappearance.

Joanna years, Christopher jeffries/ Vincent tabak.

Unfortunately it's all part of what we are now and it won't ever be stopped.

I'm. Amazed the police are responding to it and trying to fight it.

People physically going to the bench is obviously too much.

It’s like why should someone feel ashamed for saying they were menopausal? Is it socially more accepted to say anxious and depressed?

Why is the word still being hushed? Yes i understand we have a problem in society with victim blaming and labelling women as hysterical but I don’t actually think the police are doing that. Infact they’ve probably released very little and her family haven’t been honest here. The whole thing is just incredibly odd with each theory seeming unlikely.

I hope the family get some closure one way or another.

I think the info that was divulged about alcohol and menopause is too personal and it may not be the truth anyway. Broader terms like depression and anxiety would be more acceptable - the public would get it.

I agree. Menopause is so wide ranging that using it just infers something to some but it isn’t a description of specific symptoms. You can also have symptoms as you see the GP but whatever is provided means they are helped.

It’s nothing to do with shame. It’s simply something that is private to NB and not relevant to the search or necessary for the public to know.

Why haven't her family been honest?

Pa told police about vulnerability that morning which frightened the search.

That's a good thing. It happened quickly but unfortunately it may have skewed it towards suicide rather than 3rd party involvement.
But a helicopter was up pretty quickly.

Triggered the search

@Bellalalala Yes SM again.... like on here?

Managing SM expectations isn't the police's job, they can can arrest the idiots who go the St Michaels if they interfere, other than that, they should keep personal details that will not help the search for NB out of the public eye.

The Police are hiding anything because that assumes we the public have a right to know.... we do not.

SM will now go after further details of her personal life, can't you see that?

So you think the police have made it up? Not spoke to family and friends. Seen medical records etc?

The police made up that they attended to check her welfare in January?

It’s the family that decide if it’s too personal and until they come out and say they told the police they didn’t want to divulge that level of detail, I don’t think we can presume they objected.

Why is ‘struggling with depression’ better than ‘struggling with menopause’?

Wow even after all the campaigns by Davina etc - still huge ignorance on menopause.

More education and awareness needed.

www.nhsinform.scot/healthy-living/womens-health/later-years-around-50-years-and-over/menopause-and-post-menopause-health/signs-and-symptoms

I do think the family must have been adamant that no issues were mentioned. Who would have thought that there would be this public madness/internet sleuthing and, worst of all, tiktokkers and podcasters turning up on the scene.

It begs the question of how to manage enquiries in future balancing public interest with public mania and expectation of involvement .

What’s wrong with you? She didn’t have depression or Anxiety. There is nothing shameful about the menopause. And you know nothing about what she was going through health wise or why it caused her alcohol problems and you certainly do not get to decide menopause isn’t a good enough reason.

grow up,

"Family not being honest..." FFS hear yourself? its got nothing to do with you plus they are dealing with a much loved daughter, partner and mother vanishing but somehow you expect them to tell you her medical details so satisfy your xxxxing curiosity.

I think it is absolutely apalling that the police have released that information about Nicola Bulley's personal business. It isn't respectful and there is absolutely no need for the public to know it, nothing to gain. They didn't have to mention 'vulnerabilities' why do we need to know? What speculation exactly is it going to stop?
I feel the police are trying to back up their own "falling in river" theory by now insinuating a drunken fall due to mental health issues. They cannot find her body, are clutching at straws and i wouldnt be surprised if it'll end in "she must have gone out to sea, impossible to find..." case closed. It is disgusting and imo has further tarnished their reputation, not saved it.

You quoted the wrong post. 🙂

I think the full story cannot be told yet and we are not allowed to discuss or speculate what caused Nicola's troubled mind.

What would be the police’s motivation for a “smear campaign”??

I agree with PPs that the police can not win whatever they do. This certainly adds context to why it was treated as seriously as it was, so quickly.

Surely all investigative work involves a balancing the likelihood of certain scenarios.

Depending on what the Jan 10 incident involved - along with additional information provided by PA and other family members of how she was after that period - the likelihood to police that Nicola may have harmed herself may have been way higher than I’d the same set of circumstances occurred for someone else.

There is nothing to suggest to me that the police have entirely discounted third party involvement at all. But likelihood of a third party successfully harming her in a tiny time period, and either taking her or concealing her body nearby without themselves or a vehicle being seen or caught on CCTV seems very very small.

Releasing this information is sad for her family but in no way diminishes her character to the majority of right thinking people. It just adds context to why the police have after the way they have.

I do not think they have any motivation other than to locate her. Why would they want to do otherwise.

The point is the poor woman is still missing. She is not some poster girl for menopause awareness.

Coming back to her disappearance, I am still dubious about the timeline, and the piece of string. Who put this string on Willow if it was not caravan park lady?

A thought occurred to me during the night, as like a lot of other people this poor lady has been on my mind a lot. I was thinking as a mum to 2 young DD could she possibly have posted on here at some point. She went to Center Parcs in December and she had a distressing event on 10th Jan, so she may have posted on here for advice at some point. I wonder if the police will look into her online accounts, it could share a light on anything she was going through and her state of mind.

I agree. No one had a right to know. I think you have the wrong end of the stick. I think the general public have acted appallingly.

Far too many of the general public felt they did.

Of course this is all part of the police’s job. Idiots speculating led to people turning up, to people calling in ridiculous tips offs, people causing problems in the immediate area. Which the police then have to deal with.

My point has never been that we are entitled to all the details. Simply that I can see why certain details have now been released in an attempt to stop people speculating.

So you think the police are lying about attending as part of a master plan? The story about her struggling is part of a master plan?

Really?