Nicola Bulley 10

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Fuck it, I'm opening another one. If the mods delete it fair enough.

I don't believe the menopause or even alcoholism explains a woman vanishing into thin air with no evidence left behind.

This whole case stinks!

But surely the dog would then be waiting by the gate and not the river?

The dog was going between the bench and gate from what I remember. I don't know. I am just saying that had NB walked away from that area (not into the river I mean) then Willow would have followed surely..

are they thinking that tey were so sure she was in the river due to drink,disorientation.
could there be anyway they didnt mention it for the reason people are actually daying on here.why let this info out about her.why slur her name. if they new this from the start maybe they were protecting her name as this was noone elses businnes?
there does seem to be something different about this case.just look at how muc has been on mumsent.what thread are we on now? people go missing.its never like this both in the media and online.
so is there any way the police were trying to be sensitive to her and her family from the start? this is why they looked so closed and fustrated with not saying more. they didnt want to for her sake.?

She drove he children to school and spoke to someone in the school yard . She then joined a work call, albeit on mute. But she had her wits about her to join It's difficult to see how within an hour of that she would have been so drunk she fell Into the river.

Who said she was so drunk she fell into the river? No-one

No one has said she was drunk.
The police were just saying why it was escalated to high risk so quickly.

Remember that police will also have access to NBs phone, social media, messages and internet search history as well as medical records and lots of other information that builds a bigger picture and a good sense of her circumstances and state of mind.

Yes totally agree.

I don't know why some people think if they have a question it should be answered.

@junglemaze

“The only selfish reason that this Information was released is that the chief investigator leading this case could not hack the speculation that the investigation could have been lead better as people were saying that the force were receiving for concentrating too much on the river theory.

This woman should resign, shame on her to reveal these personal details that the general public certainly had no right to know. This poor woman and her family have been badly let down. I am disgusted by this chief of investigation in this case, she is a disgrace to all women, completely selfish, thinking only of herself and how this information would back up her reasoning to focus on the river.”

I completely agree with every word. ^

@Stravaig - I know, me either. Bloody outrageous!

I don’t believe the family are on board with the information being released either- it very much reads like they’ve told the family why they need to release the info regarding Nicola’s specific vulnerabilities”.

The police haven’t said where the information has come from either have they? or the extent of it- is it family, G.P, who? It just backs the main hypothesis that she fell in the river. The river that’s been scrutinised and there’s no clothing, nothing.

It beggars belief how a “vulnerable, menopausal woman, with alcohol issues” has managed to vanish in 10 minutes, in broad daylight with no physical trace whatsoever.

I think turnpike were fed up as barbiturates as incompetent by the media and the family being allowed to put forward alternative lines of enquiry without scrutiny. No one likes aspirational damage including the police and I think a high level decision was made to give this information to attempt to justify the police approach. I can appreciate the desire for the police to do this as they were coming in for large amounts of criticism but the information in itself will cause immeasurable damage to the family in my view unecessarily.

The police e may have been using this as a screen to reduce resources applied to this I think they have come out of good-looking callous though

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i guess they are saying she didnt want to be found

Also who has considered the effect on school age children on having their mother's reputation tarnished in this way?. Could this not lead to bullying by other kids?

No. They are simply saying there are factors that make someone "high risk" and warrant the police response and she met them.

I'm sure the bullys would be dealt with appropriately

I was very sad when I saw this tonight. First the 'significant issues'. What does that even mean, and why are he police releasing that statement. Then it moves onto menopause and alcohol issues.

I'm sitting here thinking I don't want to hear this. I don't like seeing any woman, any person ripped apart, on one minutiae of her life. I don't care if she once went to a party and got pissed at 4pm. I don't care if she once had a spot on her bum. I don't want to hear about it. She's missing. Let's focus on that.

My friend who is police said it was done because media are always pushing for info. I said I disagreed and whilst I appreciate the media is a force within itself, the police have made a mistake here. Lowered themselves to this nasty level. They should've had the courage. There wasn't anything to say to simply tell everybody that there wasn't anything to say at the moment that there were no further developments. They shouldn't have gone to this extent and released a statement about these kind of things. the whole case has made me quite sad, a unpleasant taste in my mouth.

they have dedicated an unprecedent amount of staff to this case, so they are justifying themselves

Incorrect. 50 is the average age for menopause which means millions of women will go through it before the age of 50.

And to the pp who said Nicola is being portrayed as a "menopausal alcoholic" - that's not how the Police described her. Their wording was carefully chosen and sensitive. It's keyboard warriors like those on this thread who are twisting the facts.

If the police had been called out one night a few years ago, I probably would have been labelled as a troubled woman with alcohol problems.

I don’t usually drink so my tolerance was very low. My abusive parter (now ex) had pushed me to the brink with his incessant digs ALL day. I decided to drink some of his wine and ended up in a complete state.

He just kept needling. I was looking uglier. I was having an affair because I wanted to go to the gym. I was a bad mother for wanting to go for a job with longer hours. I wasn’t sexy enough.

I snapped. I told him I’d rather die than spend another damn second with him. My memory is hazy but I remember him shoving me up against the wall repeatedly as I tried to leave.

The next thing I knew the police were there and I was also taken to hospital. He had told them that I was an aggressive drunk who had just hit him and told him I was going to commit suicide.

The dc happened to be away that night, but I imagine shamefully that the same might have happened if they had been there as it wasn’t intentional. He collected them from my DM’s before I left the hospital so I would have to go back to him.

We got out shortly after. Social services visited in the hospital and concluded that I didn’t need any extra intervention, it was just a blip due to a recent miscarriage. Not their fault, I’d gotten skilled at portraying the happy family woman. I got a follow up phone call.

This isn’t to point fingers at any of her family. But I dread to think what would have been said about me if the police used that one night to judge my character.

It might explain it. It might not. But I don't know why they had to release that to the papers. If they actually have reason to think no foul play was involved, just say that.

Thread Police 👮‍♀️ again. I agree it’s sad and undignified that the police had to release information on Nicola’s alcohol problems, but don’t you see that all this speculation has led to this? Social media has gone like this.

Police: We believe there was no third party involvement but we’re exploring other avenues.

Social media: Hang on, you need to tell us why you think that.

Police: Our investigations are continuing.

Social media: Why?! What about the glove? The red car? The fishermen?

Police: Ok, we knew Nicola had certain vulnerabilities. Now please stop speculating.

Social media: What vulnerabilities? Was it medical? Was it mental health? Please tell us. Please!

Police: ok, she had problems with alcohol

Social media: OMG, I can’t believe you’ve released that private information. Shame on you. Anyway, was the dog wet? What about the glove?

@Zipfer fair point. Still think they should have just kept repeating 'We have reason to believe no third party involvement' but understand it was getting harder if people keep pushing.

More like…

Police: ok, she had problems with alcohol

Social media, multiple people including criminologists and other police:

And how does releasing that private information help in any way? Unless you are trying to say that because a woman drinks ‘problematically’ and is dealing with some silly woman hormones, that that means you will only focus on ONE major line of inquiry.

Because they did, no matter how much you say ‘oh they were following others as well’. In an unprecedented move they announced exactly what they thought happened to the press, with no proof whatsoever.

That they are now using this information as an explanation for their incompetence is mind boggling.

Note to any future serial killers: Make sure she’s got a picture drinking on her public profile, is old enough to be having ‘women’s problems’ and make sure to do it, or drop some evidence, by a river in Lancashire.

Except the media were about to run with the story anyway.

They had photo’s of her allegedly drunk, there was already mention of her drinking on social media.

So which would people prefer? For it to gradually drip drip drip that Nicola was an alcoholic with chinese whispers embellishing the facts along the way? Or for the police to reveal that they hadn’t intended to but it was necessary to reveal that Nicola had vulnerabilities. And at the point they revealed that they were likely approached by someone in the press who had all the details of her drinking etc which is why they released the further information.

And for the people saying that the police have portrayed her as a menopausal drunk, no they haven’t. But just think about it for a bit, someone has said to the police that she had a drink problem brought on by the menopause. Who do you think would have been responsible for feeding that narative to the police?