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ofwarren · 2023-02-12T18:39:21+00:00

Here's the new thread My phone is playing up. I wrote a FAQ and then it crashed and I lost it all. I'm also dealing with a child on the spectrum who is bouncing off the walls this evening so I apologise for not being around much.

Peverellshire · 13/02/2023 21:26

pigsinoodies · 13/02/2023 20:56

It was obviously cobbled together from things the friend had been told, maybe from somebody who also wasn't there. It was confused and badly-explained and obviously hasn't been gone into in any depth.

Presumably the police will have everyone's version of events and will have a proper timeline of the peripheral events and who was present. That's not something they need to pass on though - just the timings that directly relate to Nicola's movements.

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You're not wrong, they'll likely be something in it, though. A kernel of 'something'. We can park it and look at what else we have that's more definitive. Is the man with fluffy dog, the same as the 'fishing bait, 'medical episode' man? The witness that WAS identified and did come forward? Or another 'elderly man'?

'Fishing bait' man is NOT described as having a fluffy dog or being elderly (?)

The witness appeals seem to be based on CCTV images, NB: Pram woman with the bright jacket and 'red coat' woman. Was 'fluffy dog' man initially identified in the same way?

ThisOrdinaryLife · 13/02/2023 21:26

Why then have the police been so fixated on the embankment by the bench being a likely point of entry?
Surely it's more likely she never left the field, and if that's the case it's unlikely that any of the witnesses who came upon the phone and Willow would have heard anything untoward as they approached the scene.

Notaboutthebass · 13/02/2023 21:27

If this is correct, I can't believe the police took a week to take that man's statement. The one who saw the two men with fishing rods and no bait, tackle etc, both on the day before and the day she went missing, they had their faces covered on a mild morning too. 🤔

Peverellshire · 13/02/2023 21:30

Goldpaw · 13/02/2023 21:11

Thing is, he's absolutely right. The police are correct in that there's no evidence of foul play. But there's no evidence for their hypothesis of her going into the river either. So yes they've checked CCTV and pursued the dashcams, but forensic searching on and around the bench, no. The police divers seemed to have been called in and gone into the river based on the assumption she went in with no thought to the area possibly being part of a crime scene.

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SR was very clear that there was background information, or similar, that PF and the public should not be party to, possibly even the immediate family ( I am not sure of police procedure in that context). Might THAT be the reason as per their protocol or a factor?

MadAndGlad · 13/02/2023 21:31

The field should still be checked surely to god? Unless anyone knows it akready has been?

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ofwarren · 13/02/2023 21:31

twitter.com/DailyMailUK/status/1625245169913155584?t=59G3Cvf159A4SPJnwC40LA&s=19

Little intricacies' of local knowledge could be 'absolutely crucial' in finding missing Nicola Bulley, expert detective says

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pigsinoodies · 13/02/2023 21:31

MadAndGlad · 13/02/2023 21:31

The field should still be checked surely to god? Unless anyone knows it akready has been?

Of course it has.

User963 · 13/02/2023 21:34

They have evidence the phone was placed on the bench at 9.20 according to telephony data so Nicola can’t have placed it there on the way to the field where she was seen at 9.10

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ofwarren · 13/02/2023 21:35

www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-lancashire-42142799.amp

2017 but some interesting figures....

A police force was rated "inadequate" after failing to record at least 20,000 crimes reported to it in a year.

Lancashire Constabulary was under-reporting too many crimes, including violence, rape and domestic abuse, HM Inspectorate of Constabulary and Fire & Rescue Services (HMICFRS) said.

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PictureConsequences · 13/02/2023 21:35

Peverellshire · 13/02/2023 19:50

I know, but in the words of the great MO, ‘when they go low, we ho high’ & in true Mumsnet fashion let’s collaboratively ‘grey rock’.

Our points today have been well evidenced & sourced, we don’t know whose reading. We have a huge positive power & we’re no intellectual slouches.

Maybe the professionals are reading & reviewing, apparently PF ‘makes things happen’ , we can too!

That's how I interpret the vast majority of people commenting: it's wanting to help, to explore theories, to rack our brains. And as a PP said, many of us can identify to Nicola in terms of age, habits etc and so may have a glimmer of an idea.

One thing I've been wondering, and I've read nearly all of the threads but pls accept my apologies if I've missed this: did Nicola usually Hager her video off on her Teams call? And mic. Assuming this was a regular call... Not sure where I'm going tbh but I wondered.

Idratherbepaddleboarding · 13/02/2023 21:36

LoveMAFS · 13/02/2023 20:25

I have a comment and I hope there won't be a pile-on about it. I'm curious about how you feel you'd react? Listening to Paul's video again, he says he felt 'a bit panicky' at 10.30, this is only 30-40mins into a dog walk. Shortly after this, the school rang saying the dog and phone had been found. He then says he phoned 999 on the way to the bench. If my dh was 40mins into a walk (knowing the school run timings) I'd be hmm & assume there was a logical reason at this point. And I'm pretty sure I'd feel on the drive over that after scouting about my dh would be found. It wouldn't occur to me to phone 999 so quickly. What do others think? I'd be thinking my dh had fallen over, maybe hurt his leg etc/ pee in the bushes etc. I can't imagine calling the police so soon. Do you think you'd call the police this quickly? Perhaps I'm missing some facts?

It’s not 30-40 mins though, she started her walk at 8:43 and he said he felt like she was late after 10:00 (I can’t remember the exact time he said). Mind you, I’m usually out with our dog for around 40 mins and I was out for an hour on Saturday as we met a friend and her dogs in the park and DH hadn’t even noticed.

There’s a rumour going round one of the local secondary schools that she was eaten by a crocodile, which is actually more plausible than some of the suggestions on here.

LikeTearsInRain · 13/02/2023 21:36

What breed is the dog? Is it a valuable one?

Idratherbepaddleboarding · 13/02/2023 21:37

PictureConsequences · 13/02/2023 21:35

That's how I interpret the vast majority of people commenting: it's wanting to help, to explore theories, to rack our brains. And as a PP said, many of us can identify to Nicola in terms of age, habits etc and so may have a glimmer of an idea.

One thing I've been wondering, and I've read nearly all of the threads but pls accept my apologies if I've missed this: did Nicola usually Hager her video off on her Teams call? And mic. Assuming this was a regular call... Not sure where I'm going tbh but I wondered.

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Yes she did often have her video off.

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ofwarren · 13/02/2023 21:37

LikeTearsInRain · 13/02/2023 21:36

What breed is the dog? Is it a valuable one?

Springer spaniel

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Idratherbepaddleboarding · 13/02/2023 21:38

LikeTearsInRain · 13/02/2023 21:36

What breed is the dog? Is it a valuable one?

Springer spaniel, which are 10 a penny round here. I think you legally have to own a Labrador, springer or cocker to be allowed to live round here!

newrubylane · 13/02/2023 21:39

liveforsummer · 13/02/2023 21:20

And would her normal (same every day) walk place her back there within the given time frame?

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Logically if you work the times back, the answer re. timeframes would be yes, I think so. She apparently left the house just before half past, drove and dropped the children at school ten minutes or so later. 8.43 she is walking along the path and by 8.50 she was in the lower field. Paul expects her home between 9.45 and 10 usually, so she'd have to get back to her car, by the school between 9.30 and 9.45. Allowing for a few minutes walk back down the path to the car, then she'd be expected at the bench from 9.20-9.40 by her normal timings? If anything 9.20 might be slightly on the early side, so maybe she did sometimes sit there for 5 minutes?

plumduck · 13/02/2023 21:42

Bluebellwood129 · 13/02/2023 21:18

If so, then she didn't necessarily return to the bench/kissing gate at all. Her phone, harness and Willow did but it can't be assumed that she brought them back to this point can it?

No, there's no evidence that places Nicola herself at the bench after the alleged sighting in the upper field.

So strange

pissssedofff · 13/02/2023 21:44

That's how I interpret the vast majority of people commenting: it's wanting to help, to explore theories, to rack our brains. And as a PP said, many of us can identify to Nicola in terms of age, habits etc and so may have a glimmer of an idea

People seem to be treating this case as a means to release their inner Miss Marple... no one here has a clue or any experience in finding missing persons and if they have genuine information, they should go to the Police with it, not put it on a post in the forlorn hope someone in authority will read it.

wetotter · 13/02/2023 21:44

Springer spaniel puppies start at about £800

The lockdown bubble in dog prices is firmly consigned to history. But even when raging, there were very, very few muggings for dogs (thefts were usually from homes esp gardens, from vehicles and from kennels)

Peverellshire · 13/02/2023 21:45

User963 · 13/02/2023 21:34

They have evidence the phone was placed on the bench at 9.20 according to telephony data so Nicola can’t have placed it there on the way to the field where she was seen at 9.10

They haven't (?) 'got' analysed the fitbit data or have they?

In the press conference they said:

"This includes Nicola's Fitbit and her mobile phone, which has been fully examined"

[What does this mean?].

Shampern · 13/02/2023 21:45

If it is correct that the police underwater search teams were using the caravan site as their base, why would they now feel the need to go back and search there? Wouldn't they have picked up all the necessary information from their time there?

melonraspberry · 13/02/2023 21:46

Just watched a clip of PF on GB News saying the undergrowth hasn’t been flattened which shows there has been no real land search in the area .

pigsinoodies · 13/02/2023 21:47

Shampern · 13/02/2023 21:45

If it is correct that the police underwater search teams were using the caravan site as their base, why would they now feel the need to go back and search there? Wouldn't they have picked up all the necessary information from their time there?

The later reports said that they haven't gone back to search there. They've got people there to deter the amateur detectives.

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ofwarren · 13/02/2023 21:47

melonraspberry · 13/02/2023 21:46

Just watched a clip of PF on GB News saying the undergrowth hasn’t been flattened which shows there has been no real land search in the area .

Interesting
I wonder when he's coming to search?

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Peverellshire · 13/02/2023 21:48

They don't have the physical fitbit so have they managed to analyse the data, do we think, given the model and the info we have NB: the 'synching', or lack thereof.

Also telephony data etc can tell how the phone moved? If it fell to the ground? If its screen went from portrait to landscape, etc.

PF has said that he believes the phone to be more important than he believed at first, (?)