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ofwarren · 12/02/2023 18:39

Here's the new thread

My phone is playing up. I wrote a FAQ and then it crashed and I lost it all.

I'm also dealing with a child on the spectrum who is bouncing off the walls this evening so I apologise for not being around much.

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ofwarren · 13/02/2023 16:14

twitter.com/Independent/status/1625165285693988866?t=N3PvnOnAZlMe64j6Ae7UgA&s=19

Nicola Bulley: Police spotted at caravan site near where dog walker disappeared

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confounded234 · 13/02/2023 16:15

ofwarren · 13/02/2023 16:14

twitter.com/Independent/status/1625165285693988866?t=N3PvnOnAZlMe64j6Ae7UgA&s=19

Nicola Bulley: Police spotted at caravan site near where dog walker disappeared

TBH, that just looks like local plod have been asked to keep an eye on the caravan site to keep the nutters away.

LikeTearsInRain · 13/02/2023 16:18

Apparently she left keys in the car?

pigsinoodies · 13/02/2023 16:19

confounded234 · 13/02/2023 16:15

TBH, that just looks like local plod have been asked to keep an eye on the caravan site to keep the nutters away.

That's not a picture of them on the caravan site, it's just a general pic.

confounded234 · 13/02/2023 16:19

LikeTearsInRain · 13/02/2023 16:18

Apparently she left keys in the car?

No she didn't, this has been thoroughly debunked. She had the keys with her.

MucozadeOnLucozade · 13/02/2023 16:20

pigsinoodies · 13/02/2023 14:41

That's a contour line

Ahhhh thank you for clarifying!

ofwarren · 13/02/2023 16:20

Just shows how much bollocks the papers spout.
The broken cctv was at rowanwater and this is Wyresdale

"Police searching for Nicola Bulley carry out enquiries at caravan park with 'broken' CCTV camera near to where the missing mother vanished - as diving expert vows to start searching for places she could have been buried near river"

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11745751/Police-searching-missing-Nicola-Bulley-carry-enquiries-caravan-park.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline

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Baileysandcream · 13/02/2023 16:20

LikeTearsInRain · 13/02/2023 16:18

Apparently she left keys in the car?

Apparently not ... www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11745045/Nicola-Bulleys-friends-claim-missing-mother-vanished-carrying-Mercedes-car-keys.html

Goldpaw · 13/02/2023 16:23

After watching that Michelle After Dark YouTube video, I concluded she probably did enter the water at the bench and banged her head on the rocks, and when she went in Willow started barking. The land is incredibly flat so someone else would be seen, and nothing else makes sense.

There seem to be people coming and going around that time so the window of opportunity for anything else happening is pretty slim. If she tripped and rolled down the bank, she may have been right there when Willow was tied up and the other people were there.

But with the police saying she may have entered somewhere else, it returns to being utterly perplexing.

melonraspberry · 13/02/2023 16:23

Bizarre they are only just searching there. Missing person - surely you’d search everywhere in the vicinity.

Could just be the next stage of the investigation, can a warrant be issue simply because other leads have been exhausted or does there have to be specific evidence ?@pigsinoodies

Peverellshire · 13/02/2023 16:23

@ofwarren I really hope all being carefully considered.

One thing to consider too here, might be Nicola's habit of having calls on loud speaker, this might have been an additional irritant for some. I wonder if the bench was the spot where she regularly took these? We do know she walked every day in the area.

"Nicola quite often would put her phone on loud speaker when talking."

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/nicola-bulley-friend-shares-11-26165084

confounded234 · 13/02/2023 16:25

melonraspberry · 13/02/2023 16:23

Bizarre they are only just searching there. Missing person - surely you’d search everywhere in the vicinity.

Could just be the next stage of the investigation, can a warrant be issue simply because other leads have been exhausted or does there have to be specific evidence ?@pigsinoodies

I think you need something like reasonable cause to get a warrant. Ie. you'd have to have some circumstantial evidence before to get a judge to issue that. But I'm not an expert so I might be wrong.

schloss · 13/02/2023 16:26

I have only posted a couple of times on one of the previous NB threads, prior to this one.

I have today been thinking what is happening within Lancs police - my opinions are purely by opinons with no basis other than my thoughts but those thoughts do come with my experience of investigations in a totally different sector.

I am expecting there are ongoing discussions within the force above the main investigation team in respect to the PR of Lancs police. They have made some communication areas but also are receiving some negative reviews from varying sources both local and national.

What should they do and what will they do?

Personally, I think there will be a lull in the press conferences but the water/sea search will continue, there will however be a slight uptake in the non water based searching.

The lull will allow them to then announce a strategic change to their search focus away from the water opinion. In their opinions it will allow an element of not admitting they may have focussed too much on the drowning scenario, but will allow a saving face option of "now we are increasing our investigation away from the river/sea".

The family and PF media continuation will ensure Lancs police are not in a situation where they can say the search is over even though a bidy has not been found. If there was not such a media interest, that line from Lancs police may have happened.

I am sure (and I hope) there has been from day 1 discussions within Lancs police of "what if NB did not go into the river" and for all investigations of any event, there has to be at least one person who, cliche as it is, thinks outside of the box.

Peverellshire · 13/02/2023 16:27

@goldpaw I think even the police now concede, she almost certainly did not enter the water by the bench. After all, they had their own expert divers out the very same day, and that is without looking at the expertise that followed, not to mention reviews by the police's own experts etc. There is a great deal of evidence to suggest that is is virtually impossible that she went into the water by the bench by any means.

ofwarren · 13/02/2023 16:29

Thanks @Schloss that makes a lot of sense.

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melonraspberry · 13/02/2023 16:31

Yes for me there are 2 options

  1. she was abducted by a stalker
  2. there was a complete accident involving a third party that morning near to the field, and they have hidden the body. if an accident , I would have thought a land search will find the body soon, as it won’t have been planned.
pigsinoodies · 13/02/2023 16:31

melonraspberry · 13/02/2023 16:23

Bizarre they are only just searching there. Missing person - surely you’d search everywhere in the vicinity.

Could just be the next stage of the investigation, can a warrant be issue simply because other leads have been exhausted or does there have to be specific evidence ?@pigsinoodies

I've no idea. I would imagine that they'd need a certain level of evidence that a crime's been committed though. And once they've eliminated her going into the river at the bench, and then used dashcam footage to eliminate her leaving the area on foot they move on to the next most likely theory.

As I said though, I've no idea really.

VanGoghsDog · 13/02/2023 16:32

Ref the string on the collar to tie the dog up - I have found a few lost dogs in my time. The important thing is to get hold of their collar as quickly as you can and get some sort of way of stopping them running off. To this end in the past I have used scarves, shoe laces or dog leads (in the days I had dogs).

If you're even two feet away from the lead on the floor when you manage to get the dog (and they can be slippery little suckers!) then you wouldn't want to faff around trying to get the lead while still holding the dog by the collar (and you might not spot it until after you've got the dog sorted). So, if I had something useful about my person, I'd just use that. I don't tend to have string I don't think, but some people might, especially if they have a small holding.

I guess I might then put the lead on, but there's be no way to attach most leads to a bench/something to stop the doc wandering off, so again, string might be more useful.

I don't find the idea that someone used string implausible. I do find it implausible that someone said maybe she had a medical episode and slipped and then they walked off and left everything as it was without alerting anyone*.

But, as we know, a lot of this can be down to very lax and inaccurate reporting, not helped by imprecise police statements.

*But as someone above said, people don't want to get involved. I once gave a lift two miles, on Christmas day, to two lost women who couldn't find their car, my then bf never stopped going on about it because he nearly missed the time the pub shut and had to phone ahead to get someone to order for him. I was astonished that he would have just left them there. But that's people for you!

schloss · 13/02/2023 16:34

ofwarren · 13/02/2023 16:29

Thanks @Schloss that makes a lot of sense.

Thanks @ofwarren - hopefully the spelling/word errors people will just skip by 😊

Goldpaw · 13/02/2023 16:39

melonraspberry · 13/02/2023 16:31

Yes for me there are 2 options

  1. she was abducted by a stalker
  2. there was a complete accident involving a third party that morning near to the field, and they have hidden the body. if an accident , I would have thought a land search will find the body soon, as it won’t have been planned.

I think she's either gone away of her own volition, or had an accident somewhere, either like you say or on her own.

ilovebrie8 · 13/02/2023 16:42

melonraspberry · 13/02/2023 16:31

Yes for me there are 2 options

  1. she was abducted by a stalker
  2. there was a complete accident involving a third party that morning near to the field, and they have hidden the body. if an accident , I would have thought a land search will find the body soon, as it won’t have been planned.

I tend to agree....I think it is one of these.

Peverellshire · 13/02/2023 16:44

@schloss I think the police may have been initially acting on information not in the public domain. They are, perhaps, trying to balance a moral and sensitive approach with something more pragmatic, and maybe now changing tack, despite always keeping an open mind in the background?

Perhaps the balance of probabilities pointed to another scenario originally and there is now some revision accordingly? It's all very unprecedented. I am sympathetic towards the police.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11743489/Private-forensic-expert-led-underwater-river-search-Nicola-Bulley-offers-hunt-land.html
Another couple of articles too along similar lines.

Family and friends possibly suggesting below but Nicola's balance of mind was not disturbed on 27th Jan:

“On the river on the day it wasn’t running very fast"

“I’ve spent a lot of time with the family and they said she was so cautious, did the same route every day, didn’t go near the river and her fitbit shows she doesn’t go near the river. She would have to be pushed really hard to be launched out into the middle of the river.

“There is lots of odd stuff here. If she isn't found then I would say something is not right. Police officers have been ringing saying they agree with me, this is an odd one. The police divers are very professional, they would have found her that day. There is no reason she would disappear. She was happy”.

JaneJeffer · 13/02/2023 16:46

diving expert vows to start searching for places she could have been buried near river
Highly unlikely she is buried but could have been hidden somewhere nearby.

Idratherbepaddleboarding · 13/02/2023 16:48

MucozadeOnLucozade · 13/02/2023 00:58

Is there anyone on this thread who actually lives in the area/been to the bench to look?

Lots of us live nearby, I live 10 mins away but I would 100% not go to the area as I’d be as bad as all of the other rubber neckers.

ofwarren · 13/02/2023 16:50

Idratherbepaddleboarding · 13/02/2023 16:48

Lots of us live nearby, I live 10 mins away but I would 100% not go to the area as I’d be as bad as all of the other rubber neckers.

Oh god, no way would I go there now
What would it even achieve? There is nothing to see.

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