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Missing Woman Nicola Bulley 8

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ofwarren · 12/02/2023 18:39

Here's the new thread

My phone is playing up. I wrote a FAQ and then it crashed and I lost it all.

I'm also dealing with a child on the spectrum who is bouncing off the walls this evening so I apologise for not being around much.

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Namecangeonce · 13/02/2023 15:19

@Bluebellwood129 have you seen how steep the incline from bench to river is ?
Normally covered in vegetation like knotweed or balsalm which die down in winter but leave roots to be tripped over. The harness was found in that area. She may well have dropped it when she slipped.

ofwarren · 13/02/2023 15:19

ofwarren · 13/02/2023 15:18

twitter.com/MirrorBreaking_/status/1625151338236596225?t=jfg52yMPuH3zVy69nY_F6w&s=19

BREAKING Police have been seen searching a caravan site near to where Nicola Bulley went missing over two weeks ago

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Bluebellwood129 · 13/02/2023 15:23

Namecangeonce · 13/02/2023 15:19

@Bluebellwood129 have you seen how steep the incline from bench to river is ?
Normally covered in vegetation like knotweed or balsalm which die down in winter but leave roots to be tripped over. The harness was found in that area. She may well have dropped it when she slipped.

Yes, everything's possible but with no evidence whatsoever it's important to keep an open mind at this stage.

Goldpaw · 13/02/2023 15:37

Renoir56 · 13/02/2023 15:10

This is where I think these threads go too far. That 'Trapped by the Gate!' Video is just unnecessary speculation. No need for an exclamation mark. It's not a true crime drama.

If you watched it you'd see that that particular video was the woman discounting speculation.

VariantHela · 13/02/2023 15:40

ofwarren · 13/02/2023 15:19

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Gosh, I hope they find something. Keep thinking of her poor girls x

Plitvice · 13/02/2023 15:41

Searching an obvious place a whole two weeks later sounds really unacceptable. Was the massive team they had in place all working on drowning theories?

I keep wondering whether she was chased while Willow was off-lead and dropped the lead/phone while running away.

Rempf · 13/02/2023 15:45

Is this the same caravan site in relation to the lady who found willow?

I know there was mention of two seperate caravan sites

pigsinoodies · 13/02/2023 15:46

Rempf · 13/02/2023 15:45

Is this the same caravan site in relation to the lady who found willow?

I know there was mention of two seperate caravan sites

Seems to be. The other one has big lodges.

ofwarren · 13/02/2023 15:47

Rempf · 13/02/2023 15:45

Is this the same caravan site in relation to the lady who found willow?

I know there was mention of two seperate caravan sites

Yes

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pigsinoodies · 13/02/2023 15:49

Searching an obvious place a whole two weeks later sounds really unacceptable. Was the massive team they had in place all working on drowning theories?

Obviously I don't know but I assume they've had to eliminate the more likely scenarios before they'd be able to get a search warrant.

davegrohll · 13/02/2023 15:52

Hang on, is this the caravan site right by where Nicola went missing??

ofwarren · 13/02/2023 15:53

davegrohll · 13/02/2023 15:52

Hang on, is this the caravan site right by where Nicola went missing??

Literally

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Peverellshire · 13/02/2023 15:56

At Press Conference police said the below, I think their belief is she may have entered the water elsewhere. IMO We can almost certainly say she DID NOT enter the water by the bench. SR at Press Conference:

We can say with confidence, therefore, that we believe Nicola remained in the riverside area. I understand that this is frustrating for those observing the investigation when the river has been searched and Nicola has not been found. That does not mean, however, that Nicola was not in the river at some point due to the tidal flow of the river. For this reason, our search of the river and the river banks extends out to the sea, particularly the area from Knott End, out towards Morecambe.

Which leaves a couple of scenarios, IMO the window of opportunity at the bench is FAR too small for an elaborate, sophisticated abduction in broad daylight in a crowded dog walking spot. Not to say, if two individuals etc collaborating etc and meticulously planning, they wouldn't pick a better time and location?

One scenario, is in the immediate vicinity, it seems there are some unanswered questions and confusion around what happened and who discovered, and reported the dog etc and how that all played out. There was allegedly a man on the scene who speculated about Nicola having a 'medical accident', surely that is really strange, the woman witness has only just arrived on the scene, too and it seems others followed.

www.lancs.live/news/lancashire-news/nicola-bulley-laughing-joking-just-26135864

"The gent has looked on the floor and two feet from the bench there’s a phone," she said. "I think she’s either been faffing about at the edge of the river because the dog’s been smelling fishing bait and she’s slipped or she’s had a medical episode."

So, circa 9:33am we have, what, 6 people (?) on the scene, by the bench, and then the dog and phone both stay bench side for two hours?

ImprobablePuffin · 13/02/2023 15:58

Renoir56 · 13/02/2023 15:10

This is where I think these threads go too far. That 'Trapped by the Gate!' Video is just unnecessary speculation. No need for an exclamation mark. It's not a true crime drama.

Did you actually watch it?
Or has an exclamation mark actually tipped you over the edge?

TabithaTiger · 13/02/2023 15:59

SirVixofVixHall · 13/02/2023 15:13

One of the things mentioned by a pp- I can’t find now whether it was clarified ?
That the woman who found Willow (and tied her to the bench with string) had said Willow already had the string on her collar . Do we know if this is true ?
Because that does then make more sense in terms of why she didn’t just put the dog’s lead back on, and also opens up various possibilities, eg someone trying to steal Willow, and Nicola running after them, or someone else finding Willow and tying her up unsuccessfully, or someone deliberately leading Willow away to entice Nicola . Willow had a lead and harness, so there seems no reason why she would have had the string put on by Nicola herself. It would all suggest someone else being involved .

That was me . I've still not found the answer to this. I've read that Willow was 'tied with sting attached to her collar'. But it's not clear whether the string was already attached or the person who found her had the string on them (so many people carry string?)

I'm not really clear on what happened and who found Willow. I've read it was another dog walker. Also that a man came along separately and found the harness and phone. Other reports don't mention a man. Have the police confirmed these details in a statement at all?

davegrohll · 13/02/2023 16:00

@ofwarren bloody hell, without sounding like a dick, what on earth has taken them so long ??

ofwarren · 13/02/2023 16:02

davegrohll · 13/02/2023 16:00

@ofwarren bloody hell, without sounding like a dick, what on earth has taken them so long ??

I'm sure they said they have searched 'unoccupied' caravans already but I've always thought that caravan park needed a thorough search.
I wonder if they have a bit of evidence which has enabled them to get a warrant now?

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confounded234 · 13/02/2023 16:02

davegrohll · 13/02/2023 16:00

@ofwarren bloody hell, without sounding like a dick, what on earth has taken them so long ??

Depends what they mean by "search". If it means a couple of local constables walking around the field for a bit, then I'd question how thorough that is.

ofwarren · 13/02/2023 16:04

twitter.com/derbyshire_live/status/1625163536920870919?t=jQ9Cf9RvtdP0JdpaC9K5jw&s=19

Ex-cop who uncovered Jimmy Savile's crimes says police got it wrong not treating Nicola Bulley disappearance as murder from the start

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ofwarren · 13/02/2023 16:04

confounded234 · 13/02/2023 16:02

Depends what they mean by "search". If it means a couple of local constables walking around the field for a bit, then I'd question how thorough that is.

True. We don't know if they are just looking around or actually searching.

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GoldenGumballs · 13/02/2023 16:05

Thankyou for persevering with this thread. I think it’s good to keep talking, especially in this fast moving news world where things are soon forgotten.
Thinking about Willow’s behaviour, I’ve a feeling she didn’t see Nicola leave the area (by river or land, we just don’t know).
The running between bench and gate may have been her confusion in that she couldn’t see Nicola but always has her harness put back on at that point. So this could be why she didn’t leave that spot as she was running between the harness and the usual way home. Just trying to make sense. Much love to Nicola’s family & friends.

confounded234 · 13/02/2023 16:07

Peverellshire · 13/02/2023 15:56

At Press Conference police said the below, I think their belief is she may have entered the water elsewhere. IMO We can almost certainly say she DID NOT enter the water by the bench. SR at Press Conference:

We can say with confidence, therefore, that we believe Nicola remained in the riverside area. I understand that this is frustrating for those observing the investigation when the river has been searched and Nicola has not been found. That does not mean, however, that Nicola was not in the river at some point due to the tidal flow of the river. For this reason, our search of the river and the river banks extends out to the sea, particularly the area from Knott End, out towards Morecambe.

Which leaves a couple of scenarios, IMO the window of opportunity at the bench is FAR too small for an elaborate, sophisticated abduction in broad daylight in a crowded dog walking spot. Not to say, if two individuals etc collaborating etc and meticulously planning, they wouldn't pick a better time and location?

One scenario, is in the immediate vicinity, it seems there are some unanswered questions and confusion around what happened and who discovered, and reported the dog etc and how that all played out. There was allegedly a man on the scene who speculated about Nicola having a 'medical accident', surely that is really strange, the woman witness has only just arrived on the scene, too and it seems others followed.

www.lancs.live/news/lancashire-news/nicola-bulley-laughing-joking-just-26135864

"The gent has looked on the floor and two feet from the bench there’s a phone," she said. "I think she’s either been faffing about at the edge of the river because the dog’s been smelling fishing bait and she’s slipped or she’s had a medical episode."

So, circa 9:33am we have, what, 6 people (?) on the scene, by the bench, and then the dog and phone both stay bench side for two hours?

Never underestimate the desire of the general public to "not get involved" as its "none of their business" and they "don't want to make a fuss". I can easily imagine 6 people standing around there and coming to the conclusion that the best thing to do was leave it al there and not bother alertign anyone else.

Peverellshire · 13/02/2023 16:09

@SirVixofVixHall @TabithaTiger @davegrohll @ofwarren

www.lancs.live/news/lancashire-news/nicola-bulley-laughing-joking-just-26135864 NB: dog narrative account.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/21355157/nicola-bulley-ex-detective-says-in-river/ NB: 'appointment'

The 'string' theory (lol), I think comes from a social media account, Tilly Ann? There is no verifiable source anyone can find, I think it's inaccurate.

There was a man with this woman witness, just after 9:33am presumably, which direction did he come from?

From article above:

She went on to say, the dog walker spotted Willow as she came through a gate onto the towpath but became suspicious when she saw the harness and lead on the floor. A man then came through behind her with his dog and spotted the phone.

SO, the window of opportunity for Nicola to leave the riverside and/or be taken against her will, or leave of own accord is 4-6 minutes, in reality, possibly and 10 minutes, more generously?

Meanwhile, Willow and her phone remain unattended for nearly TWO hours.

Given the woman witness, outlined in the first article above, came down the path and through the gate and tied Nicola's dog at 9:33am. (and this would have been her only viable exit route re: either, abduction or leaving of free will) [Please correct if wrong it is very hard to get to accurate data] Presumably, this means that the woman would have come down the path for at least 3-5 mins prior (?) & either seen Nicola, heard her/anyone with her in a criminal situation]:So, 9:25am to 9:30am approx? Depending on how fast she walked down the pathway and if the dog was fast/slow. Did she have a dog with her?

PrettyUpMyPorch · 13/02/2023 16:12

I'm not a dog owner so forgive silly question... if the harness was found does that mean Willow wasn't wearing a collar? Or did she have a collar on as well?

If she DID have a collar on, is it easy to remove the lead from the harness and then attach it to the collar?

ofwarren · 13/02/2023 16:13

Peverellshire · 13/02/2023 16:09

@SirVixofVixHall @TabithaTiger @davegrohll @ofwarren

www.lancs.live/news/lancashire-news/nicola-bulley-laughing-joking-just-26135864 NB: dog narrative account.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/21355157/nicola-bulley-ex-detective-says-in-river/ NB: 'appointment'

The 'string' theory (lol), I think comes from a social media account, Tilly Ann? There is no verifiable source anyone can find, I think it's inaccurate.

There was a man with this woman witness, just after 9:33am presumably, which direction did he come from?

From article above:

She went on to say, the dog walker spotted Willow as she came through a gate onto the towpath but became suspicious when she saw the harness and lead on the floor. A man then came through behind her with his dog and spotted the phone.

SO, the window of opportunity for Nicola to leave the riverside and/or be taken against her will, or leave of own accord is 4-6 minutes, in reality, possibly and 10 minutes, more generously?

Meanwhile, Willow and her phone remain unattended for nearly TWO hours.

Given the woman witness, outlined in the first article above, came down the path and through the gate and tied Nicola's dog at 9:33am. (and this would have been her only viable exit route re: either, abduction or leaving of free will) [Please correct if wrong it is very hard to get to accurate data] Presumably, this means that the woman would have come down the path for at least 3-5 mins prior (?) & either seen Nicola, heard her/anyone with her in a criminal situation]:So, 9:25am to 9:30am approx? Depending on how fast she walked down the pathway and if the dog was fast/slow. Did she have a dog with her?

The whole timeline of what happened just baffles me. I end up having thoughts that we aren't allowed to discuss on here as it all seems so unbelievable.
Let's just hope this caravan search is fruitful 🤞

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