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Missing Woman Nicola Bulley 7

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LoveMAFS · 11/02/2023 16:42

The chat appears to have gone quiet today after the last thread filled up, so I'm making a new one for anyone who wants to come together whilst we all hold our breath hoping for a good outcome.

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GirlOfTudor · 12/02/2023 12:10

Constantlybusy · 12/02/2023 11:44

Something is bugging me. If Nicola had a Teams meeting at 9 and Paul didn't start work until 10 (as he said in his interview) why didn't he take the girls to school that morning?

I don't think is weird at all. They both played an equal part in taking the kids to school. If Nicola always starts work at 9am, that's plenty of time to drop off the kids at around 8:40am, nip back (or start a walk) and log onto her laptop, phone or whatever.
Nowhere has confirmed that she starts work at 9am everyday, so that could just be Alan assumption because she had a meeting scheduled at that time on that particular day.

Oaktree55 · 12/02/2023 12:11

It’s pretty unlikely to be anything perhaps they were suspicious perhaps they were dealing drugs for example.

Parker231 · 12/02/2023 12:11

ofwarren · 12/02/2023 10:47

I have already mentioned this but its got lost in the posts.

If, as Paul states, they take in turns taking Willow for a walk, how did the caravan park owner know the phone she found was Nicola's?
Also, she didn't take the phone with her and she says her daughter in law knew it was Nicola from the description of the dog.

The whole account of finding willow and the phone is so confusing to me.

Perhaps she recognised family photos on the phone screensaver?

dawngreen · 12/02/2023 12:12

I don't know the area and the layout of the land. But I am a dog owner and I saw a video with cows in a field near the river. People near my area have being killed getting their dogs back from fields with cows in. I never said it was a fact I was just thinking what made her get up, and drop the phone. And no I am not obsessed with the park. Its just near to the area, and I don't know which park they rented a caravan from. At least its near to the area. @TrevTro

IhateJan22 · 12/02/2023 12:12

Constantlybusy · 12/02/2023 11:44

Something is bugging me. If Nicola had a Teams meeting at 9 and Paul didn't start work until 10 (as he said in his interview) why didn't he take the girls to school that morning?

She’d dropped the kids off by 9am, she obviously didn’t need to be involved in the meeting just listening in. Sharing the load, me and my husband do it and the kids know who is taking them each day. All seems plausible to me. People need to realise he cannot be guilty, he has a solid alibi and realistically could he of killer her, disposed of her body very well and not one shred of evidence to show he was out of the house at any point?

Bluebellwood129 · 12/02/2023 12:12

Oaktree55 · 12/02/2023 12:11

It’s pretty unlikely to be anything perhaps they were suspicious perhaps they were dealing drugs for example.

Then the police need to do their job and issue a statement confirming they have been ruled out, otherwise the speculation they are so keen to avoid will continue.

ofwarren · 12/02/2023 12:13

Just seen this shared on Facebook

Missing Woman Nicola Bulley 7
placemats · 12/02/2023 12:15

Activelyannoyed · 12/02/2023 11:43

Not necessarily. housing can mean netted or fenced in according to the article, it’s not clear, in one paragraph it says keep indoors, in the next it says netted or fenced in. So if it’s the latter a dog could easily be bothering the chickens.

No it can't not since November 2022 if it's a business.

Shewasnthere · 12/02/2023 12:15

Willow bothering chickens. Two men being capable of abducting a small women being compared with the chances of an alien abduction. It's all getting a bit silly and far fetched.

melonraspberry · 12/02/2023 12:20

@ofwarren that’s good news. They simply have to solve this , those girls cannot grow up not knowing

FeetupTvon · 12/02/2023 12:21

Genuine question… why don’t all people who have gone missing receive this publicity?

Shewasnthere · 12/02/2023 12:22

@ofwarren sounds like they've listened to the family or have more information! Which is good.

Pinkypie86 · 12/02/2023 12:23

Having read some of the posts, I'm even more confused.

Surely if there are no real leads or any evidence then the police really did cock up in the first few hours / days.

I don't know if I believe a random abduction.
Someone/some people know way more than they're letting on. That's one thing that seems totally obvious!

placemats · 12/02/2023 12:24

ofwarren · 12/02/2023 12:13

Just seen this shared on Facebook

So it seems likely now to be a murder investigation. On that note I am out.

Pinkypie86 · 12/02/2023 12:24

FeetupTvon · 12/02/2023 12:21

Genuine question… why don’t all people who have gone missing receive this publicity?

Sadly because they're not attractive, white women.

And, that's the way it goes isn't it?

Peppepepper · 12/02/2023 12:24

Bluebellwood129 · 12/02/2023 12:12

Then the police need to do their job and issue a statement confirming they have been ruled out, otherwise the speculation they are so keen to avoid will continue.

No they absolutely do not! There is a real person at the centre of this, i think some people are forgetting that.

Constantlybusy · 12/02/2023 12:25

Bluekerfuffle · 12/02/2023 11:59

It was probably her turn then.

Yes but even if it was my partner's turn and he knew I had a meeting at 9, he would offer to help out. He said he often had an hour to himself in the mornings as he starts work later. It would just be a considerate thing to do, in my opinion.

Daisymaker · 12/02/2023 12:26

MySugarBabyLove · 12/02/2023 09:07

In years gone by people could disappear, when you could just e.g. walk into the local shop/restaurant of the place you had moved to and get a job on sight, and you were given a pay packet etc.

But now in order to get a job you have to prove your identity, to have a bank account you have to prove your identity, everything these days is done so electronically that it just isn’t possible.

And presumably if someone disappeared like this and sparked such a huge investigation, if they were found they would be charged with wasting police time.

It depends what kind of job, cash in hand etc. How do you think people who come into the country illegally manage?

Shewasnthere · 12/02/2023 12:27

@FeetupTvon I think this case has been blown up mainly because it is so bizarre that a normal everyday women, walking her dog has disappeared with out what seems like a trace, leaving the dog behind. Lots of people men and women can relate to doing this simple act of dropping kids off at school and walking their dog. It was in the morning, not at night. She was on a work call when her phone and dog were found with her no where to be seen. I don't remember another case like this, correct me if I'm wrong.

melonraspberry · 12/02/2023 12:27

@Commonsensitivity this is rubbish. She didn’t have to speak in the meeting, so fine to do a walk. She obviously enjoys dog walks .

melonraspberry · 12/02/2023 12:28

Sorry wrong @ that was for @Constantlybusy

plumduck · 12/02/2023 12:29

Bluebellwood129 · 12/02/2023 12:12

Then the police need to do their job and issue a statement confirming they have been ruled out, otherwise the speculation they are so keen to avoid will continue.

They don't. They don't have to update us everytime they rule something out.

Peverellshire · 12/02/2023 12:29

Peverellshire · 12/02/2023 01:26

@ofwarren thanks very much for starting another thread.

  1. https://www.lancs.live/news/lancashire-news/nicola-bulley-laughing-joking-just-26135864 How the phone and dog got to the bench

From article above:

She went on to say, the dog walker spotted Willow as she came through a gate onto the towpath but became suspicious when she saw the harness and lead on the floor. A man then came through behind her with his dog and spotted the phone.

"The gent has looked on the floor and two feet from the bench there’s a phone," she said. "I think she’s either been faffing about at the edge of the river because the dog’s been smelling fishing bait and she’s slipped or she’s had a medical episode."

[Does anyone know if this man came forward? An important witness, very clearly].

[933am to 10:50 dog tied up to the bench. Nicola last seen 9:10am in a different area, telephony data shows her phone was on the bench at 9:20am, was Nicola with it, we assume so]

[As woman witness came through gate, and presumably walked a few mins down this path, so 9:25am ? Depending where she came from. At 9:33am tied dog to bench. Dog tied to bench, then, for nearly, TWO HOURS.

Dog has collar and relatively large identification tag, certainly in other photos seen.

Woman witness, also interacted with people who it might be vitally important to interview, quite a few, the area was quite busy with dog walkers, (I am sure they have been as they have x40 officers on the case).

From article above:

She went on to say two other dog walkers later came across her phone and recognised the screensaver photo. She said they were unable to unlock the phone and contacted a friend who then called St Michael's-on-Wyre Church of England Primary School, where Nicola had dropped her two children earlier that morning.

Partner Paul Ansell was contacted and raced to the scene from the family home three miles away in Inskip, before calling the police, the friend said. "As far as I’m aware, no one called the police until Paul arrived," she said.

  1. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/21355157/nicola-bulley-ex-detective-says-in-river/

The former detective said that although Nicola hadn't been found near where police believed she fell in, it didn't mean she wasn't in the water.

She continued: "If she's then sadly gone over that Wyre it becomes tidal and then the possibility that she's gone out to sea is still quite possible."

Julie also explained why she didn't think there was a third party involved, despite part of the path not being covered by CCTV.

Press conference, 7th Feb

  1. Press Conference earlier in week: "This includes Nicola's Fitbit and her mobile phone, which has been fully examined"
  2. "We can say with confidence, therefore, that we believe Nicola remained in the riverside area. I understand that this is frustrating for those observing the investigation when the river has been searched and Nicola has not been found. That does not mean, however, that Nicola was NOT IN THE RIVER AT SOME POINT due to the TIDAL FLOW of the river. For this reason, our search of the river and the river banks extends out to the sea, particularly the area from Knott End, out towards Morecambe.
  3. "But it does remain our belief that Nicola sadly fell into the river"
  1. The police DO BELIEVE it is highly unlikely Nicola could have travelled to the sea from some parts of the river NB: "We have already discounted particular areas of the river"
  2. Scruffy red van and x 2 nefarious looking men, etc, a real danger MOST OF ABOVE possibly, soon forgotten/any other relevant details, if we look at previous examples of any high profile crime case you can just about think of.
  3. Given the woman witness, outlined in the first article above, came down the path and through the gate and tied Nicola's dog at 9:33am. (and this would have been her only viable exit route re: either, abduction or leaving of free will) [Please correct if wrong it is very hard to get to accurate data] Presumably, this means that the woman would have come down the path for at least 3-5 mins prior (?) & either seen Nicola, heard her/anyone with her in a criminal situation]:So, 9:25am to 9:30am approx? Depending on how fast she walked down the pathway and if the dog was fast/slow. Did she have a dog with her?

There was a man with this woman just after 9:33am presumably, which direction did he come from?

She went on to say, the dog walker spotted Willow as she came through a gate onto the towpath but became suspicious when she saw the harness and lead on the floor. A man then came through behind her with his dog and spotted the phone.

SO, the window of opportunity for Nicola to leave the riverside and/or be taken against her will, or leave of own accord is 4-6 minutes possibly and 10 minutes, more generously?

Meanwhile, Willow and her phone remain unattended for nearly TWO hours.

7th Feb Press Conference

At 8.47am, someone who knows Nicola saw her walking along the lower field with her dog and the two dogs briefly interacted together. At 8.53am, she sent an email to her boss. At 8.59am, she sent a message to a friend. At 9.01am, she logged onto a team's call and at 9.10am, we had the last confirmed sighting of Nicola on the upper field walking her dog. We know from telephony that her phone was located on the bench at 9.20am. At 9.30am the Teams call ended, but Nicola's phone stayed logged in and at 9.33am approximately, her phone and her dog were found by another witness who doesn't know her.

"On Friday morning, the 27 January, we know that Nicola was last seen on the upper field next to the river wire here in St Michael's. At 9.10am. She had taken her Spaniel Willow out for a walk and CCTV that we've looked at shows that Nicola did not leave either the Allotment Lane exit of that riverside area, nor the Rowanwater caravan park, which has been discounted, nor any of the other locked or areas covered by CCTV. As I've said, Friday, this only leaves the path along Garstang Lane onto the A586, which is not covered by CCTV, [where witness above, tied up dog at 9:33am so would have been on this track minutes before, and then came through the gate] but the more of those 700 or so vehicle drivers that we can identify who can confirm that they have neither dashcam footage or saw anything on that morning will help us to close that very small gap.

And we've now identified around 700 vehicles that drove through the village on that morning on the 27 January at around 9.10am 9.15am. And we're in the process of speaking to all of those drivers to try and find out if they have any dash cam footage, what they saw on that day or anything else that may be of value to the police inquiry

Also NB:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11701007/Police-sniffer-dogs-search-river-perimeter-deserted-house-hunt-Nicola-Bulley.html

"Bizarrely, Willow was running free and the woman found the dog's harness on the ground next to the river.

She called her daughter-in-law who called Ms Bulley's long-term partner Paul Ansell, who dialled 999.

The woman, who runs a business in picturesque St Michaels on Wyre, said she knew of Ms Bulley and hoped nothing 'bad' had happened to her.

Speaking today, she said: 'I saw the dog and I recognised it, but I suddenly couldn't think whose dog it was.

'The dog looked worried so I tied her up and rushed home as I had to go to an appointment.

'I then went and spoke to my daughter-in-law and she immediately knew who the dog was, alerted the woman's partner and that was it - the police were on it"

Someone asked re: Lancs report - FYI, above & another giving all details around bench, etc.

Police expert divers on scene same day & searched water opposite bench, plus.

She could not have moved from that area, ergo she didn’t fall in opposite bench & she’s not there.

Police believe she went in elsewhere, see above.

Parker231 · 12/02/2023 12:30

Constantlybusy · 12/02/2023 12:25

Yes but even if it was my partner's turn and he knew I had a meeting at 9, he would offer to help out. He said he often had an hour to himself in the mornings as he starts work later. It would just be a considerate thing to do, in my opinion.

Perhaps she liked the opportunity to walk the dog, listen on mute to her meeting and get some fresh air before the rest of her working day?

Constantlybusy · 12/02/2023 12:31

IhateJan22 · 12/02/2023 12:12

She’d dropped the kids off by 9am, she obviously didn’t need to be involved in the meeting just listening in. Sharing the load, me and my husband do it and the kids know who is taking them each day. All seems plausible to me. People need to realise he cannot be guilty, he has a solid alibi and realistically could he of killer her, disposed of her body very well and not one shred of evidence to show he was out of the house at any point?

I wasn't suggesting guilt. I just thought it odd - if they share the load, then they'd also help each other out.

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