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Missing Woman Nicola Bulley 6

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ofwarren · 09/02/2023 19:35

These threads are to discuss the disappearance of Nicola Bulley from St Michael's on Wyre.

No speculation without evidence please.

Here are some frequently asked questions, with answers:

1.Where do Nicola and her husband work?

They both work from home which is why he was at home on the day she went missing.

2.Where was the dog harness found / the phone?

Dog harness was found near the river edge not the bench, phone was on on/near the bench.

  1. Has the river been searched?

Yes by the police and volunteers from the Specialist Search team

  1. Had the dog been in the water, and maybe Ms Bulley went in after her?

Willow appeared distressed but ‘bone dry’, according to the woman who found her. There was no sign of her having gone in the river.

  1. Why would she leave her phone on the bench?

Nicola’s phone was found on the bench, still connected to a conference call. So whatever happened, there was no time to end the call or to alert others on the call.

  1. Why was she on mute with no video for her business meeting?

This was not unusual, She used to go on work meeting calls with video off and microphone

  1. Where was her partner while she was out walking their dog?

He was at home at the time.

  1. What about this abandoned house?

Its not abandoned. Its owned by a lovely family who have lived in the village for generations and would do anything they can to help in the search for Nikki.
It has been searched, inside and outside, from top to bottom by the police. This has been clarified with the family themselves and also with the police.
They have never refused entry to the police or told them they need a warrant to search.

  1. Did Nicola have a dog ball with her?

No she didn’t she used to but stopped taking a dog ball on walks.

  1. Was she swept out to sea?

The police Seargent has said it’s now a possibility Nicola’s body could have drifted out to sea.

  1. We’re CCTV cameras working in the area:

The CCTV camera which would have captured everything unfortunately wasn’t working. But the police are actively working to identify 700 motorists travelling in the Garstang Road area on the 27TH of January.

  1. Are there any other paths she could have gone down?

Apart from the river, there are only three exits, two of which are covered by CCTV. On her way in, she was seen by several people. No one saw her leave.

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Eyesopenwideawake · 10/02/2023 11:32

If someone was at the kissing gate shouting to her that there'd been an accident or he needed help, it would be natural for her to leave the phone on the bench, tell the dog to stay and rush to help. It would take less than a couple of minutes.

confounded234 · 10/02/2023 11:34

Gramps52 · 10/02/2023 11:32

Why does everyone appear to think that Nicola left the phone on the bench when it has been stated that a male walker found it on the ground and placed it on the bench, as far as I know, no-one has said exactly where he found it.

No one knows who put the phone on the bench. I don't think the narrative that a male walker put in on the bench is reliable. Police have moved towards phone being found on the bench.

DerangedViper · 10/02/2023 11:34

Gramps52 · 10/02/2023 11:32

Why does everyone appear to think that Nicola left the phone on the bench when it has been stated that a male walker found it on the ground and placed it on the bench, as far as I know, no-one has said exactly where he found it.

Some official statements say 'on'

And whereas I don't want to credit the dog with too much agency in this, knocking small items off a bench is something that is well within the possible.

pigsinoodies · 10/02/2023 11:36

Eyesopenwideawake · 10/02/2023 11:32

If someone was at the kissing gate shouting to her that there'd been an accident or he needed help, it would be natural for her to leave the phone on the bench, tell the dog to stay and rush to help. It would take less than a couple of minutes.

And then you'd be left with him forcing her down a quite well-uses public footpath all the way to the busy-ish main road, where there's no immediate parking and no advance warning of people who may be walking past.

Jacopo · 10/02/2023 11:38

The kissing gate locks shut. So if someone forced her through it at knifepoint, or lured her through it, her dog would have been unable to follow her. It was found running back and forth between the bench and the gate.

DerangedViper · 10/02/2023 11:38

Eyesopenwideawake · 10/02/2023 11:32

If someone was at the kissing gate shouting to her that there'd been an accident or he needed help, it would be natural for her to leave the phone on the bench, tell the dog to stay and rush to help. It would take less than a couple of minutes.

Sort of agree, about telling the dog to stay (except I wouldn't, no way I'd leave a dog unattended near water any more than I would a child)

But would you really leave your phone? If it's an emergency, it might be needed to call for help and that would tend towards it being snatched up, not set down.

However, the idea that someone called something to her (either in that location or up by Rowanwater) so that she left the field alone and voluntarily isn't impossible

MissingMoominMamma · 10/02/2023 11:40

Gramps52 · 10/02/2023 11:32

Why does everyone appear to think that Nicola left the phone on the bench when it has been stated that a male walker found it on the ground and placed it on the bench, as far as I know, no-one has said exactly where he found it.

Hi Gramps, I saw that too, and have been searching for the article it was stated in- do you still have it?

itsnote · 10/02/2023 11:41

She's dropped or left the phone on or near the bench because she was leaving either voluntarily, involuntarily or by accident.

By accident was the most plausible explanation two weeks ago but unfortunately that is looking less likely.

If she left voluntarily it would make most sense to leave back through the gate. It's not a busy area, you can get away on foot without being seen and you either know the dog won't follow or hasn't seen you leave.

If she left involuntarily it would make most sense for someone to make her leave back through the gate. It's not a busy area and you can take her away on foot without being seen. Yes you need to either hop over the fence by Rowanwater, or cross the shallow bit of the river (ankle to knee deep that day at low tide) and then a tiny field to the gate and road at Hall Lane, but it's the least risky option.

Checkitoutnow · 10/02/2023 11:43

I know someone else has asked this but what really is the point of all the amateur detective work? Surely the police have asked all these questions. I know it’s interesting but it is a real person we’re talking about.

pigsinoodies · 10/02/2023 11:44

DerangedViper · 10/02/2023 11:38

Sort of agree, about telling the dog to stay (except I wouldn't, no way I'd leave a dog unattended near water any more than I would a child)

But would you really leave your phone? If it's an emergency, it might be needed to call for help and that would tend towards it being snatched up, not set down.

However, the idea that someone called something to her (either in that location or up by Rowanwater) so that she left the field alone and voluntarily isn't impossible

If she left the field via Rowanwater then surely that's where the dog and her phone would be? The police apparently know that the phone was at the bench by 0920 and the dog would have had no reason to return there unless Nicola left by the gate, or into the river near the bench.

confounded234 · 10/02/2023 11:44

Checkitoutnow · 10/02/2023 11:43

I know someone else has asked this but what really is the point of all the amateur detective work? Surely the police have asked all these questions. I know it’s interesting but it is a real person we’re talking about.

Because the police are coming across as stubborn, defensive and incompetent by sticking to the river theory. They have literally said there is no chance of could play, SI Riley is on record saying this. This is a totally reckless thing to say

User45378754 · 10/02/2023 11:45

itsnote · 10/02/2023 11:41

She's dropped or left the phone on or near the bench because she was leaving either voluntarily, involuntarily or by accident.

By accident was the most plausible explanation two weeks ago but unfortunately that is looking less likely.

If she left voluntarily it would make most sense to leave back through the gate. It's not a busy area, you can get away on foot without being seen and you either know the dog won't follow or hasn't seen you leave.

If she left involuntarily it would make most sense for someone to make her leave back through the gate. It's not a busy area and you can take her away on foot without being seen. Yes you need to either hop over the fence by Rowanwater, or cross the shallow bit of the river (ankle to knee deep that day at low tide) and then a tiny field to the gate and road at Hall Lane, but it's the least risky option.

Hall Lane was where the tatty red van was reported.

confounded234 · 10/02/2023 11:45

confounded234 · 10/02/2023 11:44

Because the police are coming across as stubborn, defensive and incompetent by sticking to the river theory. They have literally said there is no chance of could play, SI Riley is on record saying this. This is a totally reckless thing to say

no chance of foul play I meant to say

DerangedViper · 10/02/2023 11:46

She was following a work Teams call. So she'd have noticed if she dropped it by accident.

So either she placed it there whilst doing something she expected to be brief (eg clear up dog poo) and then did not return to it (accident or foul play) or she left it behind deliberately with the dog, or someone else put it there.

ofwarren · 10/02/2023 11:46

twitter.com/DailyMirror/status/1624004655297581056?t=eeobbGpAHH0cjbrMeFXaXA&s=19

Nicola Bulley may have been 'taken by force', says cop who exposed Jimmy Savile

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Catstaps · 10/02/2023 11:46

We are all trying to work out the logistics of an abduction. But when you think about it does all that really matter now at this stage, surely the police line now has to be abduction is a possibility as the river is bringing nothing. So what now? The focus now is exploring unusual activity in the surrounding areas, looking at known sex offenders, etc etc. and the usual investigations with this theory.

Gramps52 · 10/02/2023 11:48

MissingMoominMamma · 10/02/2023 11:40

Hi Gramps, I saw that too, and have been searching for the article it was stated in- do you still have it?

No, I can’t find it either, what I am trying to say is that it may have been found at some distance from the bench and as most of us do when we find something on our walks, place it in a prominent position to help the owner recover it.

ofwarren · 10/02/2023 11:50

Who lives on the caravan park with 'the finder'?
Does she have a partner or son?

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itsnote · 10/02/2023 11:51

"And then you'd be left with him forcing her down a quite well-uses public footpath all the way to the busy-ish main road, where there's no immediate parking and no advance warning of people who may be walking past."

It's not quite well used at all. Hence willow being tied there from 9.33 until 10.50.

There's easy parking just across on Hall Lane, a handy little parking spot in fact.

There's ridiculously handy parking if you know the gate code to the residential caravan park.

There's lots of nice parking spaces at the front entrance to the Rowanwater site, by the mad hunter, to easily get there unseen you just need to nip across the field (seconds), over the broken gate and skirt the back end of Rowanwater, under the relative safety of tree cover.

pigsinoodies · 10/02/2023 11:51

confounded234 · 10/02/2023 11:44

Because the police are coming across as stubborn, defensive and incompetent by sticking to the river theory. They have literally said there is no chance of could play, SI Riley is on record saying this. This is a totally reckless thing to say

There's no evidence of foul play and it is a bit far-fetched when you take everything into consideration.

I don't think the police have dismissed the possibility though - the fact they've got 40 detectives working on it and they're looking at dashcam footage proves that.

They presumably have valid reasons for what they're saying and doing.

Jacopo · 10/02/2023 11:51

Is it known whether anyone spoke to her at the school drop-off?

MucozadeOnLucozade · 10/02/2023 11:52

I can't believe the abduction would have gone via that back lane, there's a very visible security camera there.

I believe she went via the gate.

itsnote · 10/02/2023 11:52

"I know someone else has asked this but what really is the point of all the amateur detective work? Surely the police have asked all these questions. I know it’s interesting but it is a real person we’re talking about."

Wanting to know what happened, as local people. In my case anyway. It's driving us insane.

pigsinoodies · 10/02/2023 11:55

itsnote · 10/02/2023 11:51

"And then you'd be left with him forcing her down a quite well-uses public footpath all the way to the busy-ish main road, where there's no immediate parking and no advance warning of people who may be walking past."

It's not quite well used at all. Hence willow being tied there from 9.33 until 10.50.

There's easy parking just across on Hall Lane, a handy little parking spot in fact.

There's ridiculously handy parking if you know the gate code to the residential caravan park.

There's lots of nice parking spaces at the front entrance to the Rowanwater site, by the mad hunter, to easily get there unseen you just need to nip across the field (seconds), over the broken gate and skirt the back end of Rowanwater, under the relative safety of tree cover.

But all those scenarios involve her leaving the field somewhere other than by the gate near the bench. So how did the phone get there and why did the dog hang around there?

You can speculate as much as you want about things that could have happened but unless they fit in with the dog being near the bench they didn't happen.

User45378754 · 10/02/2023 11:55

Jacopo · 10/02/2023 11:51

Is it known whether anyone spoke to her at the school drop-off?

Emma White said in one of her earlier interviews that she waved to her, if I remember correctly.

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