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hellobethyname · 09/02/2023 21:29

Crumpetdisappointment · 09/02/2023 21:20

police dont normally start searchingfor a good few hours surely?

Depends on the circumstances of the missing person.

dawngreen · 09/02/2023 21:30

The 2nd witness was a man and wife it said, and the man said they had been 3 ppl in the top field. I am not sure what he meant. But the man found the phone, and I think it was him and his wife.

FawnFrenchieMum · 09/02/2023 21:31

MissingMoominMamma · 09/02/2023 20:38

Apparently, her phone was found on the ground by a passing man and it was him who put it on the bench.

@Tamarindtree here is one reference to it

SchoolTripDrama · 09/02/2023 21:32

SummerWinds · 09/02/2023 21:17

My friends Dad was out walking his dog, stopped to chat to someone , they said their goodbyes, person he was talking to said friends Dad only took a couple of steps and collapsed. Dr later told family he was dead before he hit the ground, he was in his 40s, no previous health issues, was just his normal self according to last person he spoke to. Incidents like this are not uncommon, l think she suffered a health issue and then fell into the river, she could have been chasing dog.

They've checked the river THOROUGHLY - she is not in there

DerangedViper · 09/02/2023 21:35

and Peter Faulding made absolute sense that it wasn’t possible

He said it wasn't possible in the area he had searched. A body wouldn't travel upstream against the current. So if she entered the water then it is more likely she did so below the weir.

Or the river must have carried her over the weir, but there seems to be some doubt whether that would be possible (drowned bodies sink, an object would need to be surface floating to go over)

Police do seem to think she's below the weir (search extending out towards the coast).

Which leaves unanswered where she entered the water and why

Peverellshire · 09/02/2023 21:35

ofwarren · 09/02/2023 19:35

These threads are to discuss the disappearance of Nicola Bulley from St Michael's on Wyre.

No speculation without evidence please.

Here are some frequently asked questions, with answers:

1.Where do Nicola and her husband work?

They both work from home which is why he was at home on the day she went missing.

2.Where was the dog harness found / the phone?

Dog harness was found near the river edge not the bench, phone was on on/near the bench.

Has the river been searched?

Yes by the police and volunteers from the Specialist Search team

Had the dog been in the water, and maybe Ms Bulley went in after her?

Willow appeared distressed but ‘bone dry’, according to the woman who found her. There was no sign of her having gone in the river.

Why would she leave her phone on the bench?

Nicola’s phone was found on the bench, still connected to a conference call. So whatever happened, there was no time to end the call or to alert others on the call.

Why was she on mute with no video for her business meeting?

This was not unusual, She used to go on work meeting calls with video off and microphone

Where was her partner while she was out walking their dog?

He was at home at the time.

What about this abandoned house?

Its not abandoned. Its owned by a lovely family who have lived in the village for generations and would do anything they can to help in the search for Nikki.
It has been searched, inside and outside, from top to bottom by the police. This has been clarified with the family themselves and also with the police.
They have never refused entry to the police or told them they need a warrant to search.

Did Nicola have a dog ball with her?

No she didn’t she used to but stopped taking a dog ball on walks.

Was she swept out to sea?

The police Seargent has said it’s now a possibility Nicola’s body could have drifted out to sea.

We’re CCTV cameras working in the area:

The CCTV camera which would have captured everything unfortunately wasn’t working. But the police are actively working to identify 700 motorists travelling in the Garstang Road area on the 27TH of January.

Are there any other paths she could have gone down?

Apart from the river, there are only three exits, two of which are covered by CCTV. On her way in, she was seen by several people. No one saw her leave.

Brilliant thread @ofwarren !

Phone - no 5 - mentioned as being on the ground too, many times. Official line is on bench - this niggles.

Searching out to sea - no 10

PF clear not possible & bewildered? Who has advised SR?

‘Can’t get over weir’?

Budget & sign off? When no evidence? They’d need?

Point 13 - what was ‘window of opportunity’ & timeline? (Suggestion).

Tell you what, I’ll do an ‘at risk of being forgotten/earliest details’ thread because the devil is in the detail. There are early, reports with more granularity that could do with light shone.

Thank you, such a great idea!

FawnFrenchieMum · 09/02/2023 21:35

NomDePrune · 09/02/2023 20:44

This has been puzzling for me. If the phone was still connected to the teams call, is there a recording? What was the timeline for the call and the phone being left on the bench then found again?
Have looked for this in prev threads but not seen so far

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I can’t see any other reference that makes this true

User65412 · 09/02/2023 21:37

Sorry if this has already been asked but are there residential properties backing onto the fields? Obviously she's not on the cctv leaving the main exits but in presume they've searched all of the houses and gardens that are nearby? Hard to tell from the map I've seen what the set us up is, though.
Also, regarding the teams call. Is it likely that she was suppposed to be working from home but actually on a cheeky dog walk instead? So perhaps she put the phone down and it was still on the call because she was pretending to be listening? There's no reports of her engaging with the call that I've seen or any inclination of when she last spoke in the call and what was said. Does anyone have more info?

dawngreen · 09/02/2023 21:37

They spoke to her works, and it was just a normal call nothing special.

Bluekerfuffle · 09/02/2023 21:37

The thing with PF is he has been reported to have said various different things. Before he even got there, he had criticised the police for not cordoning off the area (may be right to do so, who knows), and said she wasn’t likely to be in the water because her dog would have been howling at the riverside (not necessarily). He was then on film saying “we do think she is in the water” when he got there, followed by being baffled that they hadn’t found her I’m the water.
He then was also reported to have asked her partner if she had stalkers or enemies. (Was it his place to ask this, at the very least he didn’t have to tell the press about it).
The latest I’ve read, he says it’s the case that will stay with him because of the lack of any evidence, that normally they have a witness to a drowning or a dog showing them where it happened and then find the missing person very easily. So maybe they’re not so easy to find, even with the equipment, when there hasn’t been a witness.

SueG60 · 09/02/2023 21:39

SoTedious · 09/02/2023 21:27

You need to explain why you think she would want to disappear from her family, her well paid job and what her long term plan would be for starting a new life given the whole country now knows who she is. Otherwise there's no logic to what you're saying.

Firstly, how do you know how much she earns?

Secondly, how would she have foreseen that the whole country would know who she is? People go missing all the time with hardly a ripple beyond their immediate circle.

There's also no motive - if she'd done that it would make it sound like canoe man, but he had life insurance and his wife was in on it.

How do you know there's no motive and and/or no life insurance?

How much she earns is irrelevant, but its a decent job as a mortgage broker. The point I was making is its another reason not to want to disappear, knowing a fresh start means losing your career. She can't apply for another job and ask for references can she.

If she wanted to do it low key then why take her dog and leave it stranded, why leave her phone. The reason it has so much attention is because of this and the fact police think she fell in the river. If she'd gone out on her own and just not come home, her family might have reported that night or something, but the appeals would be much more low key and local, it wouldn't be all over national news like this is.

Presumably her partner/kids would be beneficiary of the life insurance, if he suddenly decides to relocate to Panama or something then maybe there's mileage in it but otherwise its a nonsense.

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ofwarren · 09/02/2023 21:40

User65412 · 09/02/2023 21:37

Sorry if this has already been asked but are there residential properties backing onto the fields? Obviously she's not on the cctv leaving the main exits but in presume they've searched all of the houses and gardens that are nearby? Hard to tell from the map I've seen what the set us up is, though.
Also, regarding the teams call. Is it likely that she was suppposed to be working from home but actually on a cheeky dog walk instead? So perhaps she put the phone down and it was still on the call because she was pretending to be listening? There's no reports of her engaging with the call that I've seen or any inclination of when she last spoke in the call and what was said. Does anyone have more info?

There are residential yes.
The Oaks is an estate next to Wyresdale Caravan Park.
I've circled the bench so you know where you are.

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Bluekerfuffle · 09/02/2023 21:42

Bluekerfuffle · 09/02/2023 21:37

The thing with PF is he has been reported to have said various different things. Before he even got there, he had criticised the police for not cordoning off the area (may be right to do so, who knows), and said she wasn’t likely to be in the water because her dog would have been howling at the riverside (not necessarily). He was then on film saying “we do think she is in the water” when he got there, followed by being baffled that they hadn’t found her I’m the water.
He then was also reported to have asked her partner if she had stalkers or enemies. (Was it his place to ask this, at the very least he didn’t have to tell the press about it).
The latest I’ve read, he says it’s the case that will stay with him because of the lack of any evidence, that normally they have a witness to a drowning or a dog showing them where it happened and then find the missing person very easily. So maybe they’re not so easy to find, even with the equipment, when there hasn’t been a witness.

And it’s a week later.

lifeturnsonadime · 09/02/2023 21:43

If she wanted to do it low key then why take her dog and leave it stranded, why leave her phone.

If she wanted time to get away they provide a perfect decoy.

Her husband was working from home if it's her normal routine to take the dog she had to take the dog otherwise it's not her normal routine and would have alerted him earlier that something was different that day.

lifeturnsonadime · 09/02/2023 21:44

And why leave her phone?

Oh I don't know, but if you don't want to be traced you wouldn't take it with you!

puppacup · 09/02/2023 21:45

Exactly. Look at the case of missing Denise Jarvis who is also very attractive, blonde and a similar age to Nicola and she has not received that much publicity at all.

It's likely because Denise "left" after an argument so the exciting aspect isn't there. However despite the lack of media attention the police have been doing stuff obviously I don't know how much.

Baileysandcream · 09/02/2023 21:45

Oaktree55 · 09/02/2023 21:03

Every single story questioning police investigation goes back to Peter Faulding as far as I can see. Whilst there are numerous public warnings about still looking river water, under currents, weir dangers etc etc. easily popping up on google. Not one professional person apart from him is saying what’s presumed to have happened is unlikely. Please anyone link to credible sources of criticism if I’ve missed.

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There have been quite a few that have been interviewed on various news networks over the last week or so who have questioned the investigation - in particular the hypothesis that she had entered the water as the main one to follow up. You'll find many linked on Twitter.

Here's something in the Independent today

www.independent.co.uk/voices/nicola-bulley-missing-update-latest-b2279185.html

SueG60 · 09/02/2023 21:48

lifeturnsonadime · 09/02/2023 21:44

And why leave her phone?

Oh I don't know, but if you don't want to be traced you wouldn't take it with you!

Buying time from your husband as one thing, but leading the police and national media on a wild goose chase is quite another. Just say she's got a business meeting or got to go in the office that day and job done. By all accounts she'd regularly go out socially so its not like he was some sort of control freak who wouldn't let her out the house.

With the phone I mean obviously you wouldn't take it with you, I mean why not just switch it off and leave it in the drawer at home.

I'm trying to say if she wanted to go off quietly she's done a very bad job of it.

puppacup · 09/02/2023 21:50

There's also no motive - if she'd done that it would make it sound like canoe man, but he had life insurance and his wife was in on it. And of course eventually he had to resurface.

How on earth can you ascertain a motive though? Assuming Nicola is a stranger to you & you don't know anything about her life?

I don't think she decided to disappear but I don't know anything about her, her life, her motives.

Oliveandbay · 09/02/2023 21:51

Sorry if this has already been mentioned but I've just gone to look at her FB and I am really shocked to see her entire profile is open. Literally hundreds of photos of her & family and what's going on in her life/where they've been/what they're doing etc.

It would be very easy for someone to track a person like this and know where they are a lot of the time as she was sharing so much of her life on an open profile!

Maybe someone was stalking her?

SoTedious · 09/02/2023 21:51

@SueG60
In summary then your answers to my questions are:

you don't know how much she earns
she couldn't have known how much coverage there would be
you don't know whether she had a motive or life insurance

Baileysandcream · 09/02/2023 21:52

@Oaktree55 here's one

www.gbnews.uk/news/nicola-bulley-police-attacked-by-senior-ex-crime-commissioner-after-golden-rule-ignored-professionally-i-find-it-very-odd/437776

SueG60 · 09/02/2023 21:52

puppacup · 09/02/2023 21:50

There's also no motive - if she'd done that it would make it sound like canoe man, but he had life insurance and his wife was in on it. And of course eventually he had to resurface.

How on earth can you ascertain a motive though? Assuming Nicola is a stranger to you & you don't know anything about her life?

I don't think she decided to disappear but I don't know anything about her, her life, her motives.

I'm not asking what her particular motive was, I'm asking what any plausible motive could be because its very difficult to find a single one that stands up to scrutiny thats the problem with that hypothesis

puppacup · 09/02/2023 21:53

Buying time from your husband as one thing, but leading the police and national media on a wild goose chase is quite another.

See logically if I was going to go missing I would carry out my usual daily tasks & of course you need to get rid of the phone. I don't think it would ever cross my mind to think about the associated media circus, thousands of people go missing.

lifeturnsonadime · 09/02/2023 21:53

I'm trying to say if she wanted to go off quietly she's done a very bad job of it.

Really? If that's what she's done she's convinced a police force that she's fallen in the river. Most other think that's she's been abducted AND in your case that it's entirely impossible that she could have left of her own volition.

I'd say that's a VERY successful decoy.