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Missing Woman Nicola Bulley 5

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ofwarren · 08/02/2023 20:38

A new thread about the disappearance of Nicola Bulley in St Michael's on Wyre, Lancashire.

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Eatentoomanyroses · 09/02/2023 14:32

Plitvice · 09/02/2023 13:55

What, so you would want them to permanently sit at home with the exhausted/emotionally drained adults getting anxious? I wouldn't.

I’d expect them to be with family or very close friends when their mother has just disappeared. I don’t think keeping play dates will be top of anyone’s priority list

ofwarren · 09/02/2023 14:33

twitter.com/tvukzone/status/1623690687609970688?t=kUQ60AZFtPp-6LnMJjk6lw&s=19

NEW: Dan Walker to host live special Channel 5 programme on the disappearance of #NicolaBulley.

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SleeplessInEngland · 09/02/2023 14:35

ofwarren · 09/02/2023 14:33

twitter.com/tvukzone/status/1623690687609970688?t=kUQ60AZFtPp-6LnMJjk6lw&s=19

NEW: Dan Walker to host live special Channel 5 programme on the disappearance of #NicolaBulley.

This feels like rubbernecking.

PuppyQuestions · 09/02/2023 14:35

I think the media and public playing a sick game of Chinese whispers makes it worse. The phone’s been on the bench, on the floor, in the area etc. the dog’s been tied up, loose, relaxed agitated. The speculation is just awful and we need to stick to facts.

I appreciate that’s hard as witness statements aren’t always accurate. I doubt if I had passed her I could have told you what she was wearing or what time it was unless something significant happened. I have no visual memory at all so I remember everything in list form e.g. my partner is about my height, has dark hair, blue eyes etc. If I didn’t know her well I’d really struggle to describe her and would be no use describing anyone suspicious in the area if there was someone.

I just hope this all ends soon.

ofwarren · 09/02/2023 14:36

SleeplessInEngland · 09/02/2023 14:35

This feels like rubbernecking.

Yeah, it's a bit voyeuristic isn't it
I can't imagine they have any more info to give.
I am intrigued which 'family' members have decided to go on there though.
It's quite weird

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Commonsensitivity · 09/02/2023 14:39

Upthread someone mentions string on collar. That sounds really odd. Why would there be string on the collar or why would the person that found the dog use string and not the lead lying right there.

JaneJeffer · 09/02/2023 14:41

Commonsensitivity · 09/02/2023 14:39

Upthread someone mentions string on collar. That sounds really odd. Why would there be string on the collar or why would the person that found the dog use string and not the lead lying right there.

If it's a farmer they probably had bailing twine in their pocket and just used that rather than trying to wrangle the dog into the harness I guess.

MucozadeOnLucozade · 09/02/2023 14:41

My heart was in my mouth watching PF looking at the screen on the boat, it must be awful not knowing what they were going to find. I take my hat off to these people doing their jobs.

DonnaBanana · 09/02/2023 14:41

I'm with you @irishh I think she intended to get away whatever the reason. I don't think the husband is involved as such but he seemed so immediately resigned to the situation that maybe he suspected this might happen one day. It would not be beyond belief that she was an intelligence agent or something it has happened before. For that reason I also think she will come back.

RLScott · 09/02/2023 14:42

SleeplessInEngland · 09/02/2023 14:35

This feels like rubbernecking.

Had to google that as it’s not a term I’d come across before. That’s spot on.

People are understandably interested in what has happened as it’s a growing mystery, but there’s a poor family involved here. It feels intrusive. And any speculation about her partner are especially out of order.

schloss · 09/02/2023 14:43

I have read this thread, and the previous ones, I do not usually comment on such things however I would like to give some insight into how "witnesses" to events are not always correct in what they report. My job can involve asking a number of people about certain events, it is a known issue that people differ in what they saw and report, there is no malicious action involved, it is purely how people behave.

I have been in the situation of asking very professional people to describe an event, I can receive very differing reports, to the point when it becomes almost impossible to know what is correct. Added to that, some people are easily influenced by the people questioning them, therefore providing the answers they "think" those people want to hear.

So in this situation, the differing narratives as to where the mobile phone was, could purely be the witness or witnesses, believing it was on the bench, but if a police officer then asks "are you sure it was no on the floor?" a witness then may answer " thinking about it, the phone may have been on the floor".

This scenario is a know issue when gathering information, so unless there are photographs or CCTV to confirm a situation, it is known that witnesses do not always provide 100% correct information as to what happened. It could be what it happening to cause the differences in reports as to the timeline and what happened?

Moving on the the police actions (this is not a criticism of Lancs police), they are only human, some humans will stick very to an initial opinion and not deviate from that opinion no matter what, others will be more open to outside help. The situation with the other search team, is it a case of the police had their feather ruffled and only allowed a small amount of "help" from him, with opinions differing as to if a body was in the water and if so, if it would be found?

A different force may have been more open and appreciated an external opinion and help? The sudden departure of the search team may explain the situation being the former rather than the latter?

In many professional environments having information means you can control the situation, if you do not have the information, sometimes behaviour is affected to the extent outward actions come across as though information is being held back, in order to protect the belief in only one scenario and the lack of proper information to confirm it. It can almost be an act of self protection.

I have certainly come across many professionals who will stick like glue to a scenario rather than allow others to assist or provide an alternattive narrative, on the other hand I have worked with many professionals who will consider anything and are very much a "say what you think, no matter how ludicrous it sounds, as it may help".

Moving on, I have looked at the latest available ONS stats on suicide - for women 45% are by hanging or similar, deliberate drowing is only the 4th most common method of suicide and is a very low percentage.

Finally, add in the media and I am not surprised there is an element of differing information being available and sometime Lancs police looking like they are witholding information (they may be for good reasons). I think the statement "we believe the most likely scenario is this was an accidental slip into the water with subsequent drowing, the reasons for this are X,Y,Z. We will pursue that opinion because of X,Y and Z but of course will always keep an open mind to other scenario, but the information we have means other scenario are unlikely" would have been better received and caused less speculation.

ofwarren · 09/02/2023 14:43

JaneJeffer · 09/02/2023 14:41

If it's a farmer they probably had bailing twine in their pocket and just used that rather than trying to wrangle the dog into the harness I guess.

It's the caravan site owner and the site is a smallholding so quite possible.

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Bluebellwood129 · 09/02/2023 14:46

confounded234 · 09/02/2023 14:25

I think that fits though with the known timeline posted by the family friend. Dog walker family called school at 10.50 who then called Paul , who then called the police. Not sure why they feel the need to release this now though.

I wonder if anyone came past between 9:35 and when Nicola's partner/the police arrived and wondered about Willow tied up with string and the phone and harness left there. That to me would be more odd than finding Willow running loose.

ofwarren · 09/02/2023 14:47

schloss · 09/02/2023 14:43

I have read this thread, and the previous ones, I do not usually comment on such things however I would like to give some insight into how "witnesses" to events are not always correct in what they report. My job can involve asking a number of people about certain events, it is a known issue that people differ in what they saw and report, there is no malicious action involved, it is purely how people behave.

I have been in the situation of asking very professional people to describe an event, I can receive very differing reports, to the point when it becomes almost impossible to know what is correct. Added to that, some people are easily influenced by the people questioning them, therefore providing the answers they "think" those people want to hear.

So in this situation, the differing narratives as to where the mobile phone was, could purely be the witness or witnesses, believing it was on the bench, but if a police officer then asks "are you sure it was no on the floor?" a witness then may answer " thinking about it, the phone may have been on the floor".

This scenario is a know issue when gathering information, so unless there are photographs or CCTV to confirm a situation, it is known that witnesses do not always provide 100% correct information as to what happened. It could be what it happening to cause the differences in reports as to the timeline and what happened?

Moving on the the police actions (this is not a criticism of Lancs police), they are only human, some humans will stick very to an initial opinion and not deviate from that opinion no matter what, others will be more open to outside help. The situation with the other search team, is it a case of the police had their feather ruffled and only allowed a small amount of "help" from him, with opinions differing as to if a body was in the water and if so, if it would be found?

A different force may have been more open and appreciated an external opinion and help? The sudden departure of the search team may explain the situation being the former rather than the latter?

In many professional environments having information means you can control the situation, if you do not have the information, sometimes behaviour is affected to the extent outward actions come across as though information is being held back, in order to protect the belief in only one scenario and the lack of proper information to confirm it. It can almost be an act of self protection.

I have certainly come across many professionals who will stick like glue to a scenario rather than allow others to assist or provide an alternattive narrative, on the other hand I have worked with many professionals who will consider anything and are very much a "say what you think, no matter how ludicrous it sounds, as it may help".

Moving on, I have looked at the latest available ONS stats on suicide - for women 45% are by hanging or similar, deliberate drowing is only the 4th most common method of suicide and is a very low percentage.

Finally, add in the media and I am not surprised there is an element of differing information being available and sometime Lancs police looking like they are witholding information (they may be for good reasons). I think the statement "we believe the most likely scenario is this was an accidental slip into the water with subsequent drowing, the reasons for this are X,Y,Z. We will pursue that opinion because of X,Y and Z but of course will always keep an open mind to other scenario, but the information we have means other scenario are unlikely" would have been better received and caused less speculation.

A really interesting and important post.
Thank you for this. Food for thought.

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HaggisBurger · 09/02/2023 14:51

DonnaBanana · 09/02/2023 14:41

I'm with you @irishh I think she intended to get away whatever the reason. I don't think the husband is involved as such but he seemed so immediately resigned to the situation that maybe he suspected this might happen one day. It would not be beyond belief that she was an intelligence agent or something it has happened before. For that reason I also think she will come back.

An intelligence officer. Really? Jesus wept.

Full time mortgage advisors with two young kids based in rural Lancashire are often intelligence officers - yes.

Peverellshire · 09/02/2023 14:51

Goldpaw · 09/02/2023 14:03

How far away is Shard Bridge? If she walked there wouldn't someone have noticed her somewhere along the route?

The last sighting is still in that field about 9am.

There was someone on Twitter explaining how the police wouldn't listen to her and she knew Nicola and had seen her on Fri afternoon or something, poss Sat . She seemed normal and was local and said she knew her, around same age and sounded genuine. But there you go, she said the police wouldn't entertain. Sadly there are many unusual characters that appear at these times.

AndysAudi · 09/02/2023 14:52

Tying a dog with a string seems.... bizarre to say the least.

If there was compelling evidence that Nicola is nearer the open sea by now I would have thought that PF would help with the search. He does not believe she is in the water, not near the bench nor anywhere nearer the open sea.

The case is as confusing and bizarre as it was 2 weeks ago. Confused

Peverellshire · 09/02/2023 14:53

HaggisBurger · 09/02/2023 14:51

An intelligence officer. Really? Jesus wept.

Full time mortgage advisors with two young kids based in rural Lancashire are often intelligence officers - yes.

They do say it has to be someone you'd never suspect, the real 'James Bonds' were bespectacled accountants etc, but I take your point :) Roger Moore or Sean Connery rather too stand out. Not of that any of this is funny of course.

TimeForMeToF1y · 09/02/2023 14:54

lifeturnsonadime · 09/02/2023 13:18

I doubt she would even know how to pull off a disappearance.

Oh come on, it's an unlikely scenario but to suggest an intelligent woman wouldn't be able to fake their own disappearance is ridiculous.

I know that if I ever wanted to , I could do it, it's really not as hard as some on here would believe.

Im an intelligent woman and was actually discussing this with one of my children this morning

Going missing is actually pretty difficult without leaving footprints

Where do you go?
How do you get there?
How do you ensure no one saw you leaving?
How do you manage for money?
How do you stay hidden?

Unless you have an accomplice or have saved huge amounts of cash and can find places where cash is taken exactly how would you do it?

itsnote · 09/02/2023 14:56

"I watched a video today of a spaniel just going through the fence next to the gate. It's just a normal wooden fence."

Is that a recent video @ofwarren or from when the fence was broken? The gaps in that fence are half an A4 sheet of paper, so 15cms. Willow is a stocky dog, it's impossible to know whether she'd attempt to squeeze through there. As I've said before, way too much onus on what a dog might or might not do!

Missing Woman Nicola Bulley 5
RoseAndRose · 09/02/2023 14:57

ofwarren · 09/02/2023 14:43

It's the caravan site owner and the site is a smallholding so quite possible.

I think the string must have come from the person who tied the dog up (and find it believable that people have all sorts of gubbins in their pockets. This person must have been spoken to by the police at some length so those details must have been clarified.

I read the description as simply meaning that Willow was tied with string, not tied with string that was already on her collar - because why would anyone leave a piece of string long enough trailing from the collar?

But it is odd that they didn't just use the lead. Pictures over time show that Willow wore a collar, plus harness (sometimes) and the lead was the sort with a clip that could attach to either.

ofwarren · 09/02/2023 14:58

itsnote · 09/02/2023 14:56

"I watched a video today of a spaniel just going through the fence next to the gate. It's just a normal wooden fence."

Is that a recent video @ofwarren or from when the fence was broken? The gaps in that fence are half an A4 sheet of paper, so 15cms. Willow is a stocky dog, it's impossible to know whether she'd attempt to squeeze through there. As I've said before, way too much onus on what a dog might or might not do!

It was a video of some weirdo who'd gone to film the site, so recent.
As she approached the gate, the dog which was a black and white spaniel went under the fence on the right of the gate.
I'm just on the school run. I'll try and find the link again when I'm home.

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JaneJeffer · 09/02/2023 14:58

There was someone on Twitter explaining how the police wouldn't listen to her and she knew Nicola and had seen her on Fri afternoon or something, poss Sat . She seemed normal and was local and said she knew her, around same age and sounded genuine. But there you go, she said the police wouldn't entertain.
I saw a local person on Twitter who tried to ring the helpline with info and couldn't get through so went down to speak to police at the site and they weren't interested Confused

Peverellshire · 09/02/2023 14:59

AndysAudi · 09/02/2023 14:52

Tying a dog with a string seems.... bizarre to say the least.

If there was compelling evidence that Nicola is nearer the open sea by now I would have thought that PF would help with the search. He does not believe she is in the water, not near the bench nor anywhere nearer the open sea.

The case is as confusing and bizarre as it was 2 weeks ago. Confused

My feeling is she's close to the sea and she'll be found by the end of the weekend. PF's remit was always the river (I think) and if it turned out the evidence pointed to her never really being there, he might pack up and leave, just my surmise. Time will tell and hopefully all will find peace.

itsnote · 09/02/2023 15:00

It's ok, I believe you. Just wondering as I know bigger dogs would struggle with the gate or might not even attempt it.

I've been working but having a break and obviously, was avoiding social media (failed).

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