Missing Woman Nicola Bulley 3

[ofwarren]

I couldn't see another post so thought I'd create one.

There is a police press conference this afternoon. I can't see a time for this but it's sounding like a routine one.

OK, so your hypothesis is that between 9.10 and 9.20 someone abducted Nicola, rounded up her dog and delivered it plus phone to the riverbank bench? All in 10 min?

But how long did it take Wayne Couzens to abduct Sarah Everard? 3 minutes? The actual abduction didn’t take long.

The dog wasn’t “rounded up”. She was found running between the bench and the gate in an agitated state. This, more than anything else, makes me think Nicola left by the gate, possibly not of her own free will.

Maybe Nicola sat down on the bench at 9.20 having finished her walk to listen to the rest of the Teams call.

Maybe there WAS a tussle and that’s why the phone was on the ground and the dog’s harness was found in front of the bench towards the river.

I don’t understand why the police keep insisting there are no suspicious circumstances. A woman with a seemingly happy home life and without financial worries has just disappeared on a walk she regularly took and posted about. That in itself is suspicious to me.

It's the waiting game, it cannot be rushed even with the best resources in the world. If she is in there, they may not find her but they would find something of hers eventually.

I believe that when it rises in the stretch above the weir it's not actually the tide as such but the tide downstream causing the fresh water to back up in the river because it's got nowhere to go.

I assume the water never flows the wrong way past the bench?

About 5 years ago there was a case up here in Newcastle where a middle-aged woman, I think on Christmas Day Night, disappeared from her house. Her family heard nothing. She was found on CCTV in a winter coat walking several miles into the city centre in the dark and disappeared from CCTV in a spot where the cameras didn't cover. The police were sure she had gone into to the river but they couldn't find her, despite huge efforts and experts. The speculation became awful about what might have happened to her.
Her body turned up about 4 months later about half-a mile away downriver, exactly where experts expected it to.

I trust the police- it makes most sense, the other scenarios are extremely unlikely, and the police have been advised by river experts and search and rescue experts who know more than I do. Sadly, I think she will turn up sooner or later in the water.

@Fam23 I think it does seem to happen quite often and presumably is due to the fact if you went in and arrested someone you would need something to go on but also how limited the period of time they can keep them in custody for is so they need enough info while they’re out to be able to do something when they get them. I’m not sure that is the case here though. She did make it clear that Peter isn’t privvy to any of their inside information. Thought that was a bit of a dig at him because of how much he’s telling every camera crew within a 50 mile radius

@pigsinoodies when it floods it flows the wrong way fucking everywhere 🤣

That's not relevant to Nicola's disappearance though.

Maybe just markng where to search up to. So they aren't searching the same area twice.

I didn’t say she made it to the sea just that she got in the water to end her life.
I imagine it’s hard to just go into water and drown yourself, it would be easier to swim to exhaustion and then drown.
I don’t know how clear the view of the water is from the bank if you were just walking along and looking by.
so many people walk with headphones they might not hear a struggle in the water.

"But how long did it take Wayne Couzens to abduct Sarah Everard? 3 minutes?"

Exactly, and Lindsay Birbeck. On a popular dog walking route at 4pm

@Rebus123 agree with all of that.

I find it deeply disturbing that a woman can go missing like this and all the focus is on one (improbable) scenario. How much evidence and time has been lost by not keeping an open mind from the start and exploring every possibility. The thought that this woman may have been abducted and the police are not focusing their energy on that is haunting.

A medium called Amanda Molloy has been asked to help out

Asked by who?

And I'd have more confidence in this one's ability if she'd been able to get Nicola Bulley's name right ...

The dog wasn’t “rounded up”. She was found running between the bench and the gate in an agitated state. This, more than anything else, makes me think Nicola left by the gate, possibly not of her own free will.

Does anyone have a link to this, I keep reading it on here, but in the press I read it was between the bench and the river.

@Grizzledstrawberry I've just watched the documentary about Libby. That was great policing and an insight into what goes on behind the scenes and how they keep certain things from the media and public. Absolutely devastating she was murdered. I recommend anyone to watch it on Netflix. It may help to see why police do what they do and the struggle they had looking for Libby in the water. Her mother is now a campaigner.

Have you missed that there’s 40 detectives on this enquiry?

Isn't this a shallow, slow moving river? Not the sea.

Her friend has answered 11 questions after permission from her family. Because they are fed up of online scrutiny.

www.lancs.live/news/lancashire-news/nicola-bulleys-friend-shares-11-26161345?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target

How do you know they haven’t had an open mind from the start? As improbable as it is, it’s still the most likely of all scenarios.

This is what I think too. I mentioned it on the other thread that got zapped. She lost the dog and was worried, drops phone to search for him. Thinks he may be in the river and slips. Dog turns up after she has gone and stays where he saw her last hence he’s dry and agitated.

I mentioned it a couple of days ago but there would have been tread marks in the mud on the riverbank.

Makes you wonder why the police don’t have access to this state of art underwater searching equipment as standard if they believe someone has fallen into a river like this.

Surely getting equipment in like Peter Faulding has within a day or two of her going missing would have been less expensive in terms of man hours searching the river than the week it took for him to start his search meaning they could have concluded that line of enquiry quite quickly and focused on other lines of enquiry.

He has done it for free I believe and wanted to start earlier but needed permission from
the police which must be infuriating for Nicola’s family.

I should imagine it costing.

I watched that too and the programmes about the disappearance of April Jones.

His equipment hasn't yielded a better result or shed any new light upon the case so the police divers haven't been all that bad. It is a kind gesture but drownings don't reveal themselves following totally predictable patterns and timescales so it is all useful.

How much evidence and time has been lost by not keeping an open mind from the start and exploring every possibility

Those searching the river aren't the only staff involved in this case, so who says they're not keeping an open mind and investigating other possibilities?

I'm no expert in these matters, but for all we know the investigators might be "bigging up" the river scenario so that anyone else involved feels they're in the clear and starts to get careless

Yes but as with all rivers some parts can be deeper than others. I found this out the hard way when I tried to cut accross the river at Bolton abbey. It's only luck and it being a red hot day me and my son are here to tell the tale. I looked that river up online and someone had drowned close to where we crossed. Parents take they're children swimming and picnicking there.