Extremism in British Mosques

[Monkeytrousers]

here

"Mosques in Britain are spreading a dangerous brand of extremism that would be outlawed in Iraq ? says the Deputy Prime Minister of Iraq."

Sorry to dig up this thread again but wanted to link to this thread

For all those who think it isnothing to do with Islam per se, these quotes give food for thought.

"The Senate also attacked the international community for putting pressure on the Afghan government and urged Mr Karzai not to be influenced by outside un-Islamic views."

"Aminuddin Muzafari, the first secretary of the houses of parliament, said: "People should realise that as we are representatives of an Islamic country therefore we can never tolerate insults to reverences of Islamic religion.""

Is it racist to say that some cultures are better than others? That universal human rights should be just that: universal?

This was a linked article re women's rights

What a surprise that Karzai is not turning out to be the ideal leader for Afghanistan.

monkeytrousers - During the Middle Ages, tens of thousands of people were tortured, burnt at the stake, etc for not only suspicion of 'witchcraft' but as little as having a cat or having a few moles on their faces.

Was that the fault of Christianity (the religion) or the Christian Church of the time (the nasty crooks in charge)?

yes. thank god for the enlightenment

"Yes" is not an answer to the question "Was it the fault of the religion or the crooks in charge?"

How about both then?

Going to this event next week Cote:

Cafe Philosophique: The idea of utopia and belief in moral and political progress are secular versions of religious myth which have dominated political thinking for 200 years. Both are now in decline, while religion has returned as a pivotal factor in war and politics. Can the world avoid another century of faith-based violence? John Gray is professor of politics at LSE and his latest book is Black Mass: Apocalyptic Religion and the Death of Utopia.

Are you saying that Islam has nothing to do with these events around the world.

I'm not saying it's only about Islam, but it certainly has something to do with it, doesn't it?

Obviously, what I am saying is that the religion is hardly to blame for the relatively very few psychotic homicidal control freaks who kill/maim/torture for honor/paradise/God in the name of Islam.

Just like the religion was hardly to blame for the relatively few sadistic homicidal control freaks of the Church who killed/maimed/tortured for God/Church/decency in the name of Christianity during the Middle Ages.

Please give me a sign that you understand.

lol, I do understand.

But I'm sure you understadn also that it was only after the reformation then enlightenment - when religion began to loosen it's hold on us that women started to be treated better than dogs. Most men weren't homicidal psychopaths then either - even 50 years ago - but they still thought their wives and chidlren were their property to do with as they wished - as is the case in Islam today, with the exception of a very luck few in teh West.

How's the stopping smoking going BTW? I feel good!

In other words, Islam needs to have a 'private is political' moment.