Archie Battersebee case-thread 2

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ongoing from previous thread

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4573803-archie-battersbee-case?page=40

how dare they say we end childrens lives here-surely thats slanderous

we do whats best for people not keeping things going for the sake of others

If the UN simply agree that our courts are wrong wouldnt that open up all sorts of lawsuits

I know @Zoopet

I know this is different but I lost my darling papa last year. He was in ICU and we thought he'd pull through. We got called up and the consultant told us straight. We can keep trying but honestly there's nothing we can do. Me my brother and my mother said straight away, no, let him go. They were fucking amazing in ICU and we knew they'd tried their bloody hardest. Did we want to prolong his life, artificially? No. It was futile. I'd never do that to my dad, ever. That's why this case makes me so angry. I'd do ANYTHING to have my dad back, anything. But that's life. It's hard. It's shit. But you never, ever put your feelings before that loved one. Never.

They’re saying that, not to proceed with the court ordered withdrawal of treatment and implement the planned process of palliative care (withdrawing medications and monitoring then weaning down the ventilator settings to nothing), will go ahead unless a new court order is issued (and none will be in the U.K. court system)

The end of the BBC article (which I keep referring to as it seems to be the only one NOT solely based on the one sided press release) says:

"It is understood the hospital is awaiting guidance from government lawyers as to what the UN's request means in terms of Archie's treatment."

Jesus wept. They're torturing that boy. I hope he is unaware and feels nothing of any of this.

Breaks my heart

He's not being tortured. He's dead.

I follow Nicola Wilson Eventing on FB, and just saw a post from her
It reminded me what a difference it is. She was in ICU and is now in a spinal injury unit and although she must be heartbroken at her injuries, she has done nothing but praise the staff, say thank you, constantly. I've never known anyone so gracious when injured

I lost my Dad in March, complications from a biopsy.

My brother and I were with him, there was no reason to try and delay the inevitable, his body was shutting down anyway. It was very peaceful, and given that the staff were telling us it was certain he had advanced cancer, then his passing probably saved him from further suffering.

So to me, I'm heartbroken at losing Dad, but relieved he wasn't in any further pain.

I simply can't understand the mum's desire to try and keep her son here.

Yes but there is still dignity in death.

There’s a reason why we don’t parade bodies down the street. To bring comfort to the family and giving the person dignity in death

I'm beginning to doubt the UN have even made a request (certainly not an order). In the guardian it just mentions they have acknowledged the appeal and I think the rest is spin.

Just returning to this thread and absolutely stunned to read about UN decision. Why the hell do they think Archie is a disabled child, and why do they think all the UK courts and judges have ruled how they have . Do they think the medical professionals are stupid ? FFS. The evidence is overwhelming.
And now it's fueling Hollie even further.
What will happen next

Yes.

From the BBC article:

"In a letter, the chief of the UN's Human Rights Treaties Branch, Ibrahim Salama, said it had "requested the state party (the government) to refrain from withdrawing life-preserving medical treatment, including mechanical ventilation and artificial nutrition and hydration, from the alleged victim while the case is under consideration by the committee".

"This request does not imply that any decision has been reached on the substance of the matter under consideration," Mr Salama said."

It's infuriating isn't it.

The UN are considering the case of a child who is already dead.

But fuck all the children living with disabilities every day who are not receiving the care they should be.

This is absolutely pointless spunking away money of the NHS, the court system and the UN.

I think you're right.

The room is chilled? I didn’t know that.

Hollie stated in an interview that in spite of the air conditioning being turned up to maximum in Archie's room, he was "maintaining" his own temperature.

All on public record so I'm not sure why my post got deleted

He could still have some form of dignity. They've stripped him of that.

The AC in his room was turned up to the max presumably because we were having a heatwave.

His body is being kept alive as he has a functioning heart due to ventilation, there isn't a need to keep temperatures low to slow decomposistion. The necrosis that's been reported is internal (lungs, brain) so a cold outside temperature wouldn't make a difference.

Archie’s body is too unstable though. He can’t make pituitary hormones (cos no working brainstem) including anti-diuretic hormone (vasopressin) This hormone concentrates urine so without it large volumes of dilute urine are passed.

Archie’s body is receiving exogenous vasopressin but fluid balance is a massive problem and he needs what has been described as hourly fluid adjustments and electrolyte corrections.

He couldn’t be moved out of PICU and ventilated elsewhere, based on the court records, the ventilator is the “easy” part of his management.

The rest is spin. It's in the god squad's legal bods press release.^^ No where else.

If anything, be pissed off with - unsurprisingly - media outlets like the Fail misleadingly using words like injunction.

It's in the god squad's legal bods press release.^^ No where else

I'd like to hope so, but if that's the case where did the BBC get the name of the letter's signatory from?