Rishi & Truss - Will colour play a part?

[Raul57]

FYI, I'm Indian. My parent came to the UK in the early 60's.
Like everyone we know none of us has ever lived in social housing or been unlucky enough to claim benefits. We were taught by our parents like most parents to respect our elders, respect authority, EG teachers and police and work hard, get married, buy your own house and never borrow money other than for a mortgage and or a business, basically don't try to run before you an run.

Our parent's teachings have left us and our children in a good position and we all own our own property and most of us have BTL's. Most of my family work as professionals in the health and legal sector and recent 20 years IT sectors.

We have always been taught to be fair and treat all with respect especially if they treat us with respect regardless of their stauts/wealth/religion/colour/culture/etc/etc

TBH, I don't often vote as I don;t trust any politician but we do need them
I liked Boris, but the lie after lie and party gate made me dislike Boris & the nodding dogs that kept him in office and still do for almost another 2 months.

We have savings and a BTL. We've left work early and like most in or out of work and not super rich the inflation, staggering inflation is impacting us but I am aware it is hitting the poorest the hardest.

Rishi IMO would make a better leader than Truss but both of them and the other 8 candidates are not up to the job and especially Liz Truss. Liz lacks diplomatic skills and the ability to look and sound like a leader of our great nation. For that reason, I'd chose Rushi out of a poor bunch.

I want tax cuts but you do not need to be a rocket scientist to know it will fuel inflation to new highs and erode our living standards even further.

Worst still, Liz Truss nearly got us into big trouble with her mouth and Putin. I am having nightmares about Liz Truss in number 10 with finger on the nuclear button.

Rishi resigned as do 40+ others. Ben wallce stated sensibly his case to stay but Truss did not. However, Truss then climed she did not leave becuse she owned it to the UK but she never said that before she was recently on TV so I don't trust her one bit

I despise Boris and was glad to see him go but out of the two above especially Truss , I'd have Boris back.

Come the part members voting I fear colour may play a part in it for some as in any group.

FYI, I've been to Indian several times and yes, like every other country I've been to there is racism there as well.

The bottom line, I'd vote in a donkey into number 10 if I felt the donkey would do a good job. We needed a change a new Tory that was not in government but sadly Truss will turn the UK into a cesspit or worse get us into WW3.

Rishi is sleek but he was part of Boris

Ideally, right now, I'd have Boris back, never thought I'd be saying that.

Re inflation cutting taxes is not the way forward but building on what we have is.

Thank you for your detailed post. Sadly, I am not able to post as well as you but will say this in response,:

No, I do not belong to any political party as per my many posts eG I do not trust almost any politician.

You can look up the links.
Alternatively, I will post a few links as I do not have the time for 20 odd links if you post a link where Truss said she would not resign because of the importance of her job but wanted Boris out. Effectively that is what she said in one of the TV debates long after Boris was pushed to say he was being sacked.

About the "donkey" and Truss, I have no link to my judgment but I'd rather have a donkey in number ten than her because she will turn the country into a cesspit and/or get us nuked, I'm of this judgment because I know for a fact that the rampant inflation we have at the mo, tax cuts will not bring it down but aid it up.
Truss upset the Russian by her rants and made England the number one target.

Re "appeasement" lol, no one is saying that I'm clearly saying Truss needs to control her gob but it is what it is and she can't as she lacks diplomatic expertise.

I will post three links if you post one link detailing Truss telling Boris to go before he was forced to say he was going.

FYI, I am not being rude but I am worn out and worried about Truss putting millions at risk and I hope you can see that. I'm fed up with the media beating about the bush and not being honest nd saying it how it is rather than blaming Rishi and his parents for doing what billions dream about but will never achieve, IE being wealthy, smart and having a recognised status and respect.

When the media and others talk re Rishi's worked for the wealth they forget Johnson would have been in the same boat had it not been for his serial cheat, paying the wives off and child maintenance etc etc but no one talked re Johsons wealth. No one really talked about Thatcher's husband's wealth that hid their Rolls Royce from prying eyes.

Yes, I would vote for a donkey rather than Truss.

Enjoy your weekdn. :)

Please to god not Boris back! I would have thought Sunak was more heavyweight in terms of ability, and he certainly has principles, which Truss seems to lack.

I hated and despised Boris for his cheating on his family, the lie after lie and the refusal to get out of office as he was supported by many of his feeble cabinets.
However, compared with the option of Truss, I'd have Boris back for reasons stated.

Truss is out of her depth already just imagine what she will do to the if she gets in. She is incompetent and like most politicians will say whatever it takes to get where she wants to be.

The 200k odd Tory party members that will be voting, I just hope they can all put the nation first and everything else second. Most of these people that will be voting are well off abut most of them are not mulit millionaires and I hope they recognise the fact that is taxes are cut, it will ramp up inflation.

Those blaming Rishi now re Covid bail-out measures are the same people that were asking for more and or supported those measures. How do you think Truss voted re NI rises etc etc!

Disagree. Although women have certainly had and still have many barriers in society, historically its been easier to be a white women than a black man.

As long as they are White Anglo-Saxon Protestant.

Polling suggested that if Kemi had made it to the last two candidates then she would have won without much contest, such was her popularity among Conservative members.

Probably worth noting also that Rishi increased his already thumping majority in 2019, in one of the most traditional rural Tory seats there is.
thr Conservative party membership is a more complex and heterogeneous group than the stereotypes allow, quite often

Having missed the debate last night and watching news highlights and the comments from so-called 'experts has entrenched my views.

Rishi was not a "bully" but flabbergasted by the trip spouted by Truss.
Truss look completely out of her depths and could not even support how cutting taxes was to reduce inflation and where the money was coming from.

Even though Rishi was a clear winner, the polls support Truss.

The Labour party must be ROFL as they will wipe the floor with Truss at every PMQ's.

I'm 100% certain Truss will become PM but if she stays until the next GE, then Labour will win and they will trash the country even further and defend their incompetence by blaming the previous government, a typically broken record get out clause.

We left work long before retirement and have pensions that won't increase that much and we have over 50k in cash and that is becoming worthless by the day with the rampant inflation which may reach 15/15% if Truss gets in as she most likley will.

Last night's debate. IMO the presenter was being biased towards Truss as she never followed through the question as Truss hardly answered any questions.
Truss seemd very lost, seriously out of her depth

Rishi making a U turn on VAT on fuel last night, good turn as he is listening but it will fuel inflation. Truss tax plans will rocket inflation

I hate Boris for his lies but he would come a close second to Rishi as I see Turss as a life long disaster for the UK. Do we really want a Binden ie a laughing stock out of their depth PM like the USA has Binden, you lnow the answer.

Sadly, we knew long before how the group would vote even before it really went to the tv debates.

If you are working hard, worked hard took early/and or rtired and have your own property and cash savings, you ared f/d with inflation set to hit 15/16% with Truss as PM.

I regret voting for Brexit and I regret supporting the demise of Boris as I never could have imagined someone like Truss would end up in number 10. I thought Gover/Hunt/Rishi/Javid/Wallace to be there never Truss as she lacks the ability to lead and you can see that during the deabates. Labour is lol and preparing for number 10 and people like me EG own property or a few and savings will be the hardest hit by Labour as they are as bad as Truss,

*"I disagree.
There were polls re

Rishi Vs Truss &
Rishi Vs Penny

Outcomes of the polls from Tory supports were similar from memory, eG

Rishi about 40% the ladies around 60%"*

But that's quite a jump to assume that because both Truss and Mordaunt were preferred to Sunak, then it must be racism? There's a whole list of reasons why Sunak might fare badly - including being seen as the main protagonist who stabbed the beloved Boris in the back. Many Tories are unhappy about Boris going and they're unlikely to vote for the person who they feel orchestrated his downfall.

Having said all of that, are the public and some members of the Tory party racist? Of course. You only have to look at the commentary around Brexit to see that. And Brexit has emboldened the racist and xenophobic views from a section of the public. Of course, that isn't the case with everyone - but there is a loud and significant portion who are.

But the public are also sexist. The thing with the Tories is that Thatcher has a godlike status in their minds and Mordaunt definitely had a Thatcher vibe about her, which many of them liked. Truss is aiming for similar but she doesn't achieve it quite as well as Mordaunt. But still, it could work in her favour.

Truss will be a bloody nightmare. But then I think Sunak will be too. I remember seeing an interview with Sunak before he was elected to cabinet - he was just a backbencher at that point. I thought he was weak, insipid, had zero debating skills and just came across as slippery and sneery. I don't think much has changed - shouting over Truss wasn't a good move. I think overall Sunak has better knowledge than Truss but he'll be an appalling PM.

I don't think we have much in common in terms of politics OP, I disagree with most of your points. But will race play a factor? On that I agree with you. For Asian members of the community, it may be preferable to have an Asian man in power. Who wouldn't want to feel represented for the first time? For others, an Asian man in power will be unthinkable. So race could swing it either way. And of course, there will be a healthy number of voters who genuinely don't care about race.

I do think though, either way we're screwed. Much as I hate the Tories, I don't see Labour beating them in the next election so whoever wins this power grab is likely to be leading the Tories and ergo the country for some time. God help us all.