Rishi & Truss - Will colour play a part?

[Raul57]

FYI, I'm Indian. My parent came to the UK in the early 60's.
Like everyone we know none of us has ever lived in social housing or been unlucky enough to claim benefits. We were taught by our parents like most parents to respect our elders, respect authority, EG teachers and police and work hard, get married, buy your own house and never borrow money other than for a mortgage and or a business, basically don't try to run before you an run.

Our parent's teachings have left us and our children in a good position and we all own our own property and most of us have BTL's. Most of my family work as professionals in the health and legal sector and recent 20 years IT sectors.

We have always been taught to be fair and treat all with respect especially if they treat us with respect regardless of their stauts/wealth/religion/colour/culture/etc/etc

TBH, I don't often vote as I don;t trust any politician but we do need them
I liked Boris, but the lie after lie and party gate made me dislike Boris & the nodding dogs that kept him in office and still do for almost another 2 months.

We have savings and a BTL. We've left work early and like most in or out of work and not super rich the inflation, staggering inflation is impacting us but I am aware it is hitting the poorest the hardest.

Rishi IMO would make a better leader than Truss but both of them and the other 8 candidates are not up to the job and especially Liz Truss. Liz lacks diplomatic skills and the ability to look and sound like a leader of our great nation. For that reason, I'd chose Rushi out of a poor bunch.

I want tax cuts but you do not need to be a rocket scientist to know it will fuel inflation to new highs and erode our living standards even further.

Worst still, Liz Truss nearly got us into big trouble with her mouth and Putin. I am having nightmares about Liz Truss in number 10 with finger on the nuclear button.

Rishi resigned as do 40+ others. Ben wallce stated sensibly his case to stay but Truss did not. However, Truss then climed she did not leave becuse she owned it to the UK but she never said that before she was recently on TV so I don't trust her one bit

I despise Boris and was glad to see him go but out of the two above especially Truss , I'd have Boris back.

Come the part members voting I fear colour may play a part in it for some as in any group.

FYI, I've been to Indian several times and yes, like every other country I've been to there is racism there as well.

The bottom line, I'd vote in a donkey into number 10 if I felt the donkey would do a good job. We needed a change a new Tory that was not in government but sadly Truss will turn the UK into a cesspit or worse get us into WW3.

Rishi is sleek but he was part of Boris

Ideally, right now, I'd have Boris back, never thought I'd be saying that.

Re inflation cutting taxes is not the way forward but building on what we have is.

I'm chinese. I think Rishi Sunak is the lesser of the two evils because he seems to have a brain. He's too rich, grew up rich and he was Boris's chancellor. Also, I don't trust him because of those fake PR campaigns. For example, his borrowing a car from a Sainsbury worker to fill up a tank.

My opinion of Liz Truss was that she backs whatever that is convenient to her. Like remainer to brexit, republican to monarchist. Her pork market and cheese speeches were cringe.

@Raul57 You sound odd. Why do you keep re-iterating that you're Indian and you're proud to be a British citizen?

They all have and that is a fact.
Having said that, you may have not got a council tax rebate just like us as the property we reside in via our hard work is higher than ban D so no handout. But we will get, is it 300 odd quid of our taxpayer's money back, yes?

Labouerconcentrates those on benefits. The tories concentrate on the really big boys, industrial giants etc and tax perks. The Libs, they concentrate on praying to go into number ten again as a sidekick and stuff their pledges during the GE's, lol.

Truss is a walking time bomb. Truss tries to mimic the great Margaret Thatcher the other day and IMO she made a fool of herself. If I was on the Truss campaign God forbid, I'd tell her to quit whilst she is ahead as come number 10, she will be booted out overnight within 12 months but not before she has damaged the UK. If Truss had the ability of Wallace, Sunak, Trump, The Indian PM (cant recall his name) etc etc, I'd support her. However, even she admitted she did not come across well in debates so how the heck will she run the UK.

The leader of the SNP that little guy that comes to PMQ's, I vote him as PM as he seems to know what he is doing and has high standards

@Raul57 What are you on about, talking about voting for the leader of the SNP? 😂You do realise it's a Tory leadership race?

Truss doesn't know what she's talking about with her plans for tax cuts, refusing to increase corporation tax and increased borrowing. This link explains it very well www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-can-truss-pay-for-her-promises-without-breaking-fiscal-rules

Rishi might be a snake but atleast he is smart enough to realise that you can't cut taxes for everyone (includes corporation tax) and keep borrowing money. How is this going to reduce inflation and how is Truss hoping to reduce our debt? The mere fact that Truss is in the lead within the party despite her ill thought out plans is likely due to racism.

For those arguing that she managed to get Nazanin out, there is a very well written article by Nazanin's (Richard?) in the guardian.

Growing up rich and getting richer is an aspiration that any decent, hardworking person/s have inc me. We do not rely on the hope of winning the loto and or scratch cards as we do not do them

Rishi parents were like mine came to the uk in the 60's to better themselves financially and family back home and most Indians did manage that from what I know. My parents are not rich but have their own place and a bTL and cash. I'm/we are not rich and have our own place and several BTL's as do our children and we aspire to our grandchildren doing the same. To get to where we are we did not sit and watch tv 24/7, go on two hols a year and take out loans to feed our lifestyles - it takes time and big effort looking after a growing family and going to work and not looking for benefits. So I'm please for Rishi he is well off. Btw, is Boris not "rich" and his parents, lol!!

Look at Tory Blair, he is worth 600/7 hundred millions and his son is worth over a billion I think

Not you but the media is looking at feeble reasons not to back Rishi than say what they really feel. I can also imagine a lot of older, white people in the shires etc have their reasons of whom they want and I can appreciate that but then we all lose out if we all acted like that IE chose people because of their race/gender/colour/etc/etc

To be clear, Truss is not fit for the purpose and that is putting it mildly. I'm sure she is a decent woman etc but being a PM, NO WAY as she does not have what it takes. Tirsa May IMO did a good job and should have stood as PM

Just saying that almost anyone can do a better job than Truss.
Apologies if I got you worried. FYI, I'd vote in a donkey if I felt it could do a good job.

Colour makes no difference to most people. Rishi is not popular because:

• He stabbed his boss in the back. Love or hate Boris, nobody trusts a snake and a snake does not a good prime minister make. Look at John Major.
• He wants to raise taxes and continue the fruitlessness of austerity
• He has promoted state-controlled digital currency, which many see as the seeds of state overreach and see below for further trust issues
• His father in law is the owner of WEF-affiliated company Infosys . Conspiracy or not, ordinary people are very worried about the dystopian, authoritarian WEF 'Great Reset'/4th industrial revolution agenda that Rishi is thought to be connected with.
• He will bring back the scary Matt Hancock/Jeremy Hunt duo who are also considered in thrall to the agenda spoken of above.

I don't care if you agree that Rishi is these things or not. I'm telling how he is perceived in the membership. I have not seen anything much at all mentioned about his colour or parent's heritage.

Excellent post.

Re the lady that Iran released as I said in this long thread it was not Truss but the fact the Americans agree to the exchange of their spys. Anyone, even a donkey being in a post in place of Truss would have had the same result.

Don't forget how Truss upset the idiot Putin by being undiplomatic and got England in his targets.

When I see Truss on the news I change channels but I do watch the debates. I also change channels when I see the London mayor (forget his name) - the ex-health minister (forget its name the hypocrite) Tony Blair makes me want to puke and there are a few others I just cannot take anymore of.

LOL, have you ever encountered covert, unwitting favouritisms?

If you really believe that racism does not exist, then there is nothing more I can add.

I'm not a fan of Rishi but he did give our the taxpayer's money away to keep the UK going and then paid in advance for the vaccines and luck was on our side.

What has Truss done that supports her in being PM? TBH, absolute zero

Race will definitely influent the result. My inlaws are members of the conservative party and so unfortunately I have met many of their conservative party cronies over the years and they have all been racists. One of my inlaws recently moved because too many Asian people lived in her block of flats.

Thank you for confirming my beliefs.

I've been a victim of race hate/etc/etc and sure I did not get jobs intially but once in the club it was easier but there was the glass ceiling.

It's only natural that some will vote based on race/colour it happens in every nation on this planet, sad but true. The media will not be bold but use other reasons to undermind a non-indigouous person/s. However, as most decent people know, if we ran a business, hiring someone becuse you like them and not their ability will soon bankrupture you.

@Raul57 Are you making a bit of a deliberate point around "forgetting" the names of South Asian politicians? Modi, Sajid Javid, Sadiq Khan...

Would sunak's heritage help us have better relations with India. How many "buisness" visits have PMs made to India and how many have been successful. We desperately need better buisness ties with other countries especially post Brexit. Maybe conservatives desperately need sunak for this reason.

Just to add though, my ancestors would never have believed that an india heritage man would have ever become the PM.

I do agree, actually. I have seen posts here and elsewhere calling his loyalty to the UK into question. I know he has lived abroad and his wife is not British, but it seems to me that can be true of white men and no one infers they intend to leave the country as a result.

That is a racist joke. Shameful

LOL's! I never meant/said "Javid his name I can recall and to please you I can also recall the name of the Home Secretary Priti Patel and yes I despise her as much as Boris and even possibly more than him as she is a snake. - what is your point?

I try to like most people forget about people I can't stand but I can recall names of certain people as I may know someone IRL with same name.

The ex-health chap I was referring to was that bloke that was having an affair caught on cam and it was not Javid. Re Javid, his resignation speech during PMQ's I think it was, I nearly fell for it for a mo

Back to your post, what made you post what you did? I it that you think I want Rishi in there becuse I've declared at the outset I'm Indian??

Also note what I said to the poster that mentioned: "good to have..."!!
Enjoy your long weekend.

Does not mean it was down to her diplomatic skills, more likely an intelligence services operation ect and she got the credit for it.

What you must never forget is that all leaders put themselves first and the country second no matter what they claim.

What makes two leaders get on is strength and mutual respect so the bottom line, it does not matter if one is green and the other is blue.

EG, look at the Turkish PM (forget his name) and Putin. Putin has respct for the guy, why? Yes, becuse a couple of years ago Turkey shot down a Russian MiG fighter that entered Turkish airspace by a 100 meters or so. Turkeys leader warned them before not to enter their airspace then attack Kurds I think but they did and Turkey shot down the MiG. Yes, Put did naff all but show more respsct.

Genuine apologies if I have offended you @TullyApplebottom , it's one of Daman Bamrah's jokes.

It is meant to highlight the fact that highly privileged people may look like they represent a particular community, yet hold none of that community's experiences or values.

I posted it without context and am really sorry if it was inappropriate.

The third time - it was because the Yanks agreed to a spy exchange which they had refused for years. Therefore even if a donkey was in office and yanks did what they did that lady would have been set free. Yes, Truss did claim the credit as expected, lol.

What’s worse in the electorate’s mind, a brown man or a white woman?

They’re both heinous individuals imo but if it just boils down to those characteristics (race/sex) then it’s an interesting question.

I think they’ll choose Rishi.

Because of course, all members of that community think the same thing and behave in the same way???
ethnic minority communities are as capable of diversity of thought and behaviour as majority communities. They should not be regarded as « not true members » of their communities if their opinions are divergent from other community members.

Thanks for the clarification, help a lot and I see where you are coming from and you have a point.

I think Rishi is like me, my family and the other Indian people we know in the uk that have been here for yonks - we treat/help people that show us respect or no ill will regardless of their background/colour/religion/gender etc etc. Sure, this applies to all cultures etc, etc

I've noted people affiliations are often based on what group they are surrounded by both Truss and rishi are Tories. One has managed to get very rich by building on their parents hard work and directing and the other is praying to be rick.

Never forget most people want a good education for their children etc in private schools etc if they bleat against it - you recall the labour lady slagging off private schools then sending her children to one, lol.

Which person in their right mind does not want to be rich?