Rishi & Truss - Will colour play a part?

[Raul57]

FYI, I'm Indian. My parent came to the UK in the early 60's.
Like everyone we know none of us has ever lived in social housing or been unlucky enough to claim benefits. We were taught by our parents like most parents to respect our elders, respect authority, EG teachers and police and work hard, get married, buy your own house and never borrow money other than for a mortgage and or a business, basically don't try to run before you an run.

Our parent's teachings have left us and our children in a good position and we all own our own property and most of us have BTL's. Most of my family work as professionals in the health and legal sector and recent 20 years IT sectors.

We have always been taught to be fair and treat all with respect especially if they treat us with respect regardless of their stauts/wealth/religion/colour/culture/etc/etc

TBH, I don't often vote as I don;t trust any politician but we do need them
I liked Boris, but the lie after lie and party gate made me dislike Boris & the nodding dogs that kept him in office and still do for almost another 2 months.

We have savings and a BTL. We've left work early and like most in or out of work and not super rich the inflation, staggering inflation is impacting us but I am aware it is hitting the poorest the hardest.

Rishi IMO would make a better leader than Truss but both of them and the other 8 candidates are not up to the job and especially Liz Truss. Liz lacks diplomatic skills and the ability to look and sound like a leader of our great nation. For that reason, I'd chose Rushi out of a poor bunch.

I want tax cuts but you do not need to be a rocket scientist to know it will fuel inflation to new highs and erode our living standards even further.

Worst still, Liz Truss nearly got us into big trouble with her mouth and Putin. I am having nightmares about Liz Truss in number 10 with finger on the nuclear button.

Rishi resigned as do 40+ others. Ben wallce stated sensibly his case to stay but Truss did not. However, Truss then climed she did not leave becuse she owned it to the UK but she never said that before she was recently on TV so I don't trust her one bit

I despise Boris and was glad to see him go but out of the two above especially Truss , I'd have Boris back.

Come the part members voting I fear colour may play a part in it for some as in any group.

FYI, I've been to Indian several times and yes, like every other country I've been to there is racism there as well.

The bottom line, I'd vote in a donkey into number 10 if I felt the donkey would do a good job. We needed a change a new Tory that was not in government but sadly Truss will turn the UK into a cesspit or worse get us into WW3.

Rishi is sleek but he was part of Boris

Ideally, right now, I'd have Boris back, never thought I'd be saying that.

Re inflation cutting taxes is not the way forward but building on what we have is.

Both Sunak and Truss backed Boris while he stood there lying time after time but suddenly they want his job.
None of them are worthy
They are all snakes

And colour won't alter anything in my opinion.Why would it?

I think it's a bit unfair to say Truss lacks diplomatic skills. She succeeded in getting Nazadin Zaghari Radliffe released where many others had failed

As a child of Pakistani parents I agree with what you have said and similar upbringings/immigrant mindsets so I feel the same as you. I would like to see Sunak as PM over Truss as I genuinely think he’s the lesser of the evils. I know he’s not perfect but I think he’s getting a hard time and I feel he is being held to higher standards. But I know people won’t agree.

Ive also lost interest in who will lead next as they're all pretty much the same

You post doesn't mention your thread title?

But to answer the question, no I don't think it will in this case. I think the British public will be very accepting of the possibility of a rich, posh, asian man as PM. If Kemi was the candidate, I do think colour (alongside sex) would have paid a big part.

You will never be able to tell whether colour or sex play a part in determining people's votes: there are genuinely good reasons not to want either of them that have nothing to do with racism or sexism. Of course some people will be motivated by one or the other to not vote for someone, but I don't think you can separate it out, because they are both so absolutely awful anyway that people can very believably give long lists of reasons why they don't want to vote for either of them.

If Rishi does have a problem connected to his heritage, it's convincing the public he's committed to the UK, what with the Green Card thing and his wife being apparently only temporarily resident.

Nothing to do with colour, it’s all about competency and who is more trusted to move the country forward in these challenging times.

I'm not a Conservative but I've been looking at comments on the Conservative home website since this leadership election started. Presumably most people who comment there are Conservative party members. I felt pretty shocked by racism coming over in some comments I've seen there since the choice narrowed to Sunak and Truss.

So yes, among some Conservative members (not for all), I think racism will play a part in their choice.

I would like to see Sunak as PM over Truss as I genuinely think he’s the lesser of the evils.

Due to his wife connections for me he's not.

To be fair they are both as shit as each other for different reasons.

Only because her PM when he was foreign secretary managed to get Nazadin Zaghari Radliffe another conviction so another sentence.

The very least he could do is say "Yes" to the things Raab and Hunt weren't given authorisation to do by their PMs.

If you are ready for Boris back and why not Truss. I am Indian too.have you ever knew color played/playing big part in Indian politics too?? You must be white in India( your above opinion says so,but you can say if it otherwise). When you and most of your family are into buy to let business on top of your jobs, you should be supportive to Rishi. So most Indians as they are not so bothered about people who is on low wages.

The woman was let out because the Americans ok'd the swap. Therefore, even a donkey could have been in office and got the lady released once the Yanks ok's the swap/s

Sadly, it happens in the real world and I've experienced it first-hand in every country I have been to.

It does but I've been subtle.
The "British public" comments I accept on the whole but in a limited number of votes in a political party that is offten rightly or wrongly seen as right-wing, you will get a percentage that will vote based on colour. It happens all over the world.

How else would you explain polls carried out showing a similar vote for Truss, and Penny Vs Rishi.

The entire first part of your post is irrelevant to your question. Paragraphs about how well you've done for yourself. Well done, good for you. By the way, other people also work very hard but never get to the privileged point of having savings and a BTL.
To your question. It seems unlikely race will come into play at this late stage. The two candidates are very different options. If you are of the mindset that your vote for one just because the other is the wrong race for you then you are likely not the sort to pay to be a member of the party.
Personally, I find Rishi to be arrogant and out of touch with the majority of society. He attended parties just as Boris did. He's partly responsible for the financial mess we are in post-covid. Truss wasn't my first choice of all of the candidates, but of the two who are left she does at least have realistic propositions.

It might
but also he's a man so the misogyny element will sway in his favour
the GBP still trust a man above a woman IMO no matter his ethnic origin

Err, racism.

Thank you, good to hear to like-minded people as it looks as though we had similar teachings by parents.

For others reading these posts, often if it's not colour, it's religion. Look at northern Ireland. You have the same stuff in India like every other country the extreme will shout the loudest.

FYI, my parents are from India but I'm not a Hindu like the majority of Indians as is Rishi. To me and my upbringing, Rishi is a much lesser of two evils and as I said in my OP, I despised Boris johnsons behaviour re partygate and other lies but if I was given Hobson's choice between Rishi, Truss and Boris, incredibly I'd vote Boris back in as that is how awfully dangerous Truss is.

Truss will turn the UK into a dump or worse.

Rightly or wrongly I firmly believe that Rishi's skin colour will lose him many votes. In a smaller circle like the Tory MP's circle, people personally know Rishi and can see he is sleek and will represent us the UK around the world well. The UK does not need a Buffon a dangerous one talking for the UK and her presentation or lack of it a better word and lack o charisma is not for me or the UK.

I'm being honest, I'm not a perfect person even at my age as I at times just certain groups of people with the rubbish I read in some tabloids. However, thankfully my parent's teachings come to mind and I deal with people fairly but I do curse myself for those thoughts its my weakness but thankfully I do not put it into practice. I am a richer person for it.

Totally disagree with the whole post.

My family, extended family and the few people I still talk to would vote in a donkey if we felt they were doing the right thing.

Women in poorer countries are often more oppressed than the UK.

Can I ask you why are lady PM's did not address the issue of oppression against women in a rich country IE Sudia Arabia?

The men and women I speak with live with, at times party with all know the fact that they came to this planet via their mum and dad and any fool that puts anyone first purely on the basis of their discriminatory thoughts is a loser.

Even is Rishi was a woman, I still believe the vote by the would go the way it will go now, Truss would get 60%+ votes because of what I said in my OP

Talking about parents before and after sentences resembles Rishi talking about his inlaw- parents. Who cares. If Rishi really deserve to be PM you support him.but not because you think there is not because he is same shit/ less shit as Truss.

I posted the OP and I totally disagree with you.

Re the "first part of my post" though I'm not a Hindu, my parent like Rishi's parents were Indian. A lot of Indian people as well as Pakistani people becuse India was once one nation then split to 2 ie Indian and Pakistan, parents often bring up their children as we were as per my OP as WAS Rishi, hence my post. Reason for that was Rishi may be rich TBH who does not want to be rich, very rich and not work, do what we really want and give to charties and good causes this is what we worked for. Some of the media is saying Rish is out of touch with the "ordinry people" and the reason they are say that is not because he was born into a Royal family like our good Prince Andrew and ignoring the fact his parents were working professionals aspiring for thie kids to do better but the fact cnat really say we do not want a black/brown man/woman with their finfer on the nuclear button.

TBH as I said before, I'd vote in a donkey into number 10 rather than Liz Truss - out of the two Rishi easiy beats Truss and though I'm happy Boris was going and now seeing this I'd have Boris back, better still a donkey could do a better job.

I hope you are raight about "race wont come into play" but to be very honest, I've endured it many, many times, EG not promoted. Yes, people could say the others were better but let me give you an example from years ago. My last name could easily belong to an indigenous family and when I phoned our finance dept query re my pay about 20 years ago - I forget the name of the mixed named lady I had met at that office so when speaking to the bloke I said I forgot the name and I said something like "sorry as there were mostly women there the lady was young like most mid build and 'mixed race'." The bloke said "there are many of them them. He meant mixed race. I wnet to that department to collect my outstanding pay and the blokes face was red when he say me when I went over to him. I should have reported him but I had a lot on and it would have been my word against his

Racism exists and that a fact of life.

I'm not fool and as per my OP, racisum is rife around the world and yes, just like some white people that don't like x/y/z some Indians/etc dont like x/y and Z.

Honestly, I fear Truss getting into number ten as she will turn the country into a cesspit at best and WW3/nuked at worst.

Ask any child older than 5, will throwing money at inflation by cutting taxes to reduce or increase inflation.

Can you imgaine in a crisis meeting Truss stamping her foot and making worrying comments like she did again Russia.

A good diplomat will always not make their true feelings in public and put the country first, Truss is certainly not one of them.

The gutter press and media that UK people rad and listen to matters.

The way Rishi being "out of touch" seriously - hence the explanation and good results of hard work and reward like a true Tory.

My parents were loyal Labout votes come rain or shine. Me and my family, we would vote for a donkey from any political party if we felt they were putting the UK first and not themselves and were not incompetent like Truss

I geuss If I had a vote to vote for one of the shower of the original 10 candidates it would have been that military guy as he was not in government and not tarnished by Boris.

I'm not a Conservative and never will be but colour doesn't come into my decision process for politicians. Policies do.

I'm not keen on Rishi because he's too rich and has always been rich, but at least he's honest about it. Also applies to any other old Harrovians or Etonians...

I'm not convinced by Liz Truss. Seems less competent and no more honest than Rishi (or Boris).

Instinctively I think Rishi would be less bad for the country, probably, but in general he's going to have similar interests to Boris, aka making rich people richer while convincing other less people that it's for their own benefit really. Sort of the raison d'etre of the Conservative Party I guess.

However, whichever of them wins I will not be voting Conservative at the next election...