Rishi & Truss - Will colour play a part?

[Raul57]

FYI, I'm Indian. My parent came to the UK in the early 60's.
Like everyone we know none of us has ever lived in social housing or been unlucky enough to claim benefits. We were taught by our parents like most parents to respect our elders, respect authority, EG teachers and police and work hard, get married, buy your own house and never borrow money other than for a mortgage and or a business, basically don't try to run before you an run.

Our parent's teachings have left us and our children in a good position and we all own our own property and most of us have BTL's. Most of my family work as professionals in the health and legal sector and recent 20 years IT sectors.

We have always been taught to be fair and treat all with respect especially if they treat us with respect regardless of their stauts/wealth/religion/colour/culture/etc/etc

TBH, I don't often vote as I don;t trust any politician but we do need them
I liked Boris, but the lie after lie and party gate made me dislike Boris & the nodding dogs that kept him in office and still do for almost another 2 months.

We have savings and a BTL. We've left work early and like most in or out of work and not super rich the inflation, staggering inflation is impacting us but I am aware it is hitting the poorest the hardest.

Rishi IMO would make a better leader than Truss but both of them and the other 8 candidates are not up to the job and especially Liz Truss. Liz lacks diplomatic skills and the ability to look and sound like a leader of our great nation. For that reason, I'd chose Rushi out of a poor bunch.

I want tax cuts but you do not need to be a rocket scientist to know it will fuel inflation to new highs and erode our living standards even further.

Worst still, Liz Truss nearly got us into big trouble with her mouth and Putin. I am having nightmares about Liz Truss in number 10 with finger on the nuclear button.

Rishi resigned as do 40+ others. Ben wallce stated sensibly his case to stay but Truss did not. However, Truss then climed she did not leave becuse she owned it to the UK but she never said that before she was recently on TV so I don't trust her one bit

I despise Boris and was glad to see him go but out of the two above especially Truss , I'd have Boris back.

Come the part members voting I fear colour may play a part in it for some as in any group.

FYI, I've been to Indian several times and yes, like every other country I've been to there is racism there as well.

The bottom line, I'd vote in a donkey into number 10 if I felt the donkey would do a good job. We needed a change a new Tory that was not in government but sadly Truss will turn the UK into a cesspit or worse get us into WW3.

Rishi is sleek but he was part of Boris

Ideally, right now, I'd have Boris back, never thought I'd be saying that.

Re inflation cutting taxes is not the way forward but building on what we have is.

Thank you for confirming my belies

I was a fool and a coward when I was younger and put up with comments
by my white Englsih friends EG, "you are ok, you are one of us....you speak good English...you don't smell" etc etc Yes, we have racists from all backgrounds and I'm the first to say that and the covert ones are the nastiest but not to recognise what may happen is delusional IMO and no offence to anyone.

I've seen racist actions covertly practised at work, it happens but thankfully a lot less of it as people are more educated via knowledge, travel, good parents and common sense but it happens.

TBH, I can never trust any politician becue if not at the start, then some way through it they will put themselves first and lie and lie and lie again to get into office and then lie and lie and lie again to stay there. It's nothing new but what is new is the real and present danger of putting in a useless fool into number 10 that would turn the UK into a cesspit or worse.

I want zero tax but it will banrupt the UK - I am feeling the pinch and want tax cuts but in my heat I know that any tax cuts at this time will speed up inflation and errode the living standards of the ordinary British man and woam on the streets of our country.

"Can you imgaine in a crisis meeting Truss stamping her foot and making worrying comments like she did again Russia."

Can you imagine a budget meeting to cut school meals for kids (again) where Rishi says he doesn't mix with working class people again?

"Can you imgaine in a crisis meeting Truss stamping her foot and making worrying comments like she did again Russia."

And says gets her geographical points wrong again because her advisors can't use the internet.

Can you imagine a budget meeting to cut school meals for kids (again) where Rishi says he doesn't mix with working class people again?

And some oink of a football player campaigns to feed them. Then takes a stand against racism with his team mates meanwhile Tory MPs say they should be playing sport and it is ok for fans to abuse them....

I wish it was true but within a group of approximately 200,000 people you will get some kind of percentage that will base it on colour IMO.

If Truss had the ability to speak like and act like Rishi, I say she was the better person out of the rubbish lot but she is not.

Why does the media not challenge Truss about what she said in a recent tv interview about not resigning why did she not say that at the time and keep quiet, you know the answer.

Truss claims to have done this that and the other in Ukraine. No she did not as it is up to the PM to direct the way forward and after that anyone even with a below standard level of education could have managed that.

Do you really want an incompetent fool in number 10 just like the Americans have Biden, I think not. Biden is a laughing stock and says things that could get the usa into trouble just as Truss did with Russia.

Truss will get in because of reasons stated and will be out within a year when even those members that vote her in recognise their massive mistake.

Liz Truss lacks the skills and the charisma to lead a great nation like the UK.
She will turn the UK into a proper cesspit or possibly worse.

Why do you constantly refer to Ms Truss by her surname, and Mr Sunak by his Christian name? Do you hate her that much? Or are you a good friend of Mr Sunak?

And please proof read your posts before pressing the post button - some of your
sentences make no sense at all.

Are you asking if colour will sway the choices made by the members of a party who are predominantly old, privileged, weathlty, white males...hmmmmm

I think it will be a factor for some conservative members. But unless someone asks them and they answer honestly (which is unlikely) it's impossible to tell.

Personally I think Sunak would be the lesser of two evils.Truss is so ambitious she changes her beliefs when she sees which way the wins blows. And she is economically illiterate.
What we need is a complete change of Government

I don't think many conservative members will spend any time thinking about whether his is out of touch on account of his wealth, I think they'll dump him because he is reluctant to cut tax the moment he becomes pm. I think Rishi is the better bet against Labour in the next g.e. though, so they might hold a longer view.

Incredible. Rishi's campaign states 'vote for Rishi' and Truss is 'vote for Truss.

Would you rather have 'vote for Liz'?
Thanks.

Not just that, I think the right wing, ie the extreme right wing must be getting very angry.

In every country colour/religion plays a part. Though I would never be able to prove it and nor would anyone else, IMO if Rish was white, he'd win as he is sleek and that is what people want. I don't trust him just like I've never really trusted any other politican but the choice between him and Truss, it's the bloke.

My prediction is Truss will win just over 60% of the votes and then she will be botted out within the year but that is subject to world events ie not getting the UK nuked or into WW3 which will result in the same.

As I said before, any sensible person with their own home, savings, GMP fixed pensions etc that are not multi millioanires will want to protect their wealth and not want hyperinflation. Cutting taxes would aid hyper inflation its already a good 11% in London. Ask yourself this, why is Rishi not saying cutting taxes as that would get him a few more MP votes.

No expert in fiance back's Truss re her rant about cutting taxes won't raise inflation

If I was given a choice today between Rishi, Truss and a donkey, I'd vote in the donkey all day long.

I would prefer Rishi.

Exactly and sadly it happens. Via my work, the most racist lot were the older people in general.

To be clear I'm not one of those that bangs on about how racism only works one way.

What we need, the working/taxpayers all decent people of the UK need is an honest, up-front politician that is not afraid to tell the truth. In Rishi's favour is him refusal to cut taxes. I want tax cuts but I am no fool so in reality dont want cuts.

Give me a donkey any day and I'd vote for that at every election.

I agree but to TBH, Boris would have won for the tories but lie after lie and being caught out was too much. However, if given the choice between Boris and Truss, it's Boris all day long and I despise the bloke re partgate.

Ok fair enough, but in that case shouldn’t it be Rish! ? 🤔.

Anyway, I don’t care who gets in. None could be worse than the present incumbent, and we’re going for independence anyway.

Either of them is an appalling prospect, I suspect we don’t realise how much.

Thank you for taking the time out to respond, appreciated it.

In every post of mine I try to make it clear without offending any colour/race/region etc that I could not care less who was in number ten as long as they were honest and good but truss falls herendously short of that mark.

Re "independence" I'm assuming you are referring to Scotland and if so, if I was PM I'd never allow it as you guys had one. If there was a 2nd one and no indy, trust me that most of the same gang would seek a 3rd/4th etc. Think back, Scotland was going to be indy based on 120 er barrel of oil income but it fell to 40 i think. We in England already pay enough taxes and the UK debt is 2.4 trillion and many people can't grasp a figure of a billion never mind trillion. Yes, the interest on that alone os around 20 billion a month and going up.

I pray that I'm wrong but if Truss gets in the UK is history one way or another.

Re Sunak, (lol, hope you are happy now) at least he seems to know what he is doing but like any good politician, they put themselves first, lol

Re you "independence" quest - ask your leader to allow the whole of the UK to vote and you may get your wish, lol. But seriously, I would not agree to it as Scotland would get into bigger debt and it wont be France that will be bailing it out.

Take care

I'm very aware re Truss but the other bloke, as I've said in my posts, I do not trust politicians and I despise Boris. However, if the contest was between Truss and Boris, I'd vote Boris as he make me lol with despair and has some knowledge of being diplomatic when it is most needed.

Truss is only in gov as she supported Boris just like many of the others and was out of her dept but number 10 for her is very, very dangerous for the UK and other countries near us.

It will be interesting to see whether the 97% white and mainly older Conservative party electorate will vote for an Asian candidate.

Rishi also got a partygate fine so how is he any different from Boris? No integrity
I think Truss is the least worst option
The worrying thing is that our next pm is decided by 200,000 party members who will be a particular demographic. Prob white middle class men from the south ? Maybe a big generalisation I don’t know but it’s Hardly democratic.

Hi didn’t lie to parliament about party gate unlike Johnson

Let's get real but when Rishi got fined, he should have resigned.

However, you can't compare the guy with Boris as Boris is a serial liar and lied to parliament more than once I think.

Boris has also been sacked from his jobs for lying when working for a respected newspaper

Feel free to disagree but a man or woman that can cheat on their other half can lie to anyone. How can a man or a woman lie to their OH day in, day out deceive them and then be trusted as an MP?

However, even after the above as we are in dangerous times, I'd choose Boris over Truss for reasons previously stated. She lacks what it takes and that is clear.

The 200k odd voting, it's wrong but it is the recognised process unless your MP's
decide to change it

Btw - this is how awful the system is and Johnsons chums keeping him in number ten for months - a General Election takes 6 weeks, yes 6 weeks and this circus is taking about 10 weeks, you could not make it up but I guess those that love Boris are responsible for that.

Ben Wallace would have made a good PM IMHO

I'm not a Tory but I agree that Sunak seems the stronger and more robust candidate - I'm sure Labour would fear him more. Truss didn't seem to perform at the broadcast hustings with great weight, confidence and persuasiveness.

But I'm afraid we need to get real about the Conservative party membership - some are very old school and I'm sure race would play a part in their thinking. There's still plenty of prejudice out in the Tory shires on all sorts of dimensions. People are just good at hiding it.

It would be great to have an Asian PM.

i am an indian but i dont agree with Rishi s strategy , he has tottally forgotten about middle class people. but from both of them i think he can still run the country better than Truss

He's just as evil because...his wife's father built really successful business (from pretty much nothing, I might add). Do you dislike all people who make a success of themselves?

I totally agree with your post bar the last sentence.

I don't want anyone inc a PM just because he or she is of "Asian descent."

Btw, just to remind you, I'm Indian and proud to be a British citzen where my parents, my family inc me and the people we know have and are still contributing massive amounts of tax to keep our nation great.

Rishi has the capacity from what I have seen. I've seen very little of Truss other than BS re why she did not resign and how she managed to get England the special treatment of getting us nuked by Putin. Her performance is feeble, and her pledge to tax cuts is ignorant and selfish. Not a single financial expert that has a job backs her on tax cuts as it will further stoke the rampant inflation we have.

I don't mind a pm of any colour/race/gender/religion/etc/etc but they need at the very least to appear they can do the job and not run the country down the drain and then get it nuked and for that reason, Truss is not fir for the purpose. I'd rather have a donkey in there than her.