JW mother refuses blood transfusion and dies leaving newborn twins

[WendyWeber]

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"We can't believe she died after childbirth in this day and age, with all the technology there is."

They all share the responsibility for her death - her family, his family, the church, all of them. Can they really believe they all did the right thing?

QV when is the big day

ooh crikey - how scary for you wrinkly

I'm glad he's on the mend. Definitely worth getting married - for all those reasons.

THIS SATURDAY [panic]

Thanks for the advice, i will look it up.

But even £350 at the moment is impossible for us. Christmas etc and general living is almost unmanageable.

i think the actual ceremony cost us under £100 (registry office), but the wedding cost more.

Blimey.
Good luck! Id be worried to death, thinking of all the possibilities where something could go wrong

Big day! Mahoosive infact.

Congratulations VVV

Must go to bed, its very late for me.

Always feel rude just leaving a thread, just like that with no bye nor leave.

thank you

Haychee - think about it. The consequences of one of you not being there is worth far more than £350.

£350 is the minimum cost LVOC. Prices mustve gone up in recent years or something.

is it really £350 now?

wow.

mind you i have been married 8years lol.

Crikey! I'd say time flies, but, I think you may punch me for saying that

It may well incur "London Weighting" too.

Blimey I thought it was only about £30 for a marriage licence

Things have gone up haven't they?

It cost us £30 each for the licences. The ceremony/hire of registrar/celebrant cost £303.50.

This is non-negotiable. Costs even more to have civil ceremony away from the registry office.

I feel so sad for all the people involved but esp for the twins and their father.

Lissie, thank you for coming on here to clarify the real situation. I heard about this, when my dad came over and gave me an edited account from what he'd read online, the news report didn't seem to say anything different though and I have spent all day looking at my DCs and wondering how anyone could make that decision so I do appreciate your clearing it up. What a pity the news reports couldn't have been clearer so there were no misunderstandings.

Having read your account doesn't change my gut reaction of sadness for the children, however it obviously does change my view of the situation and of the people involved.

SOmeone posted earlier on this thread about a case where someone refused medical treatment for their child in favour of homeopathy, and it's a similar situation. Homeopathy is the same rank bullshit as religion and, while you have the right to choose snake oil and mumbo jumbo for yourself it's quite right that you should not be allowed to prevent another person having necessary treatment in an emergency because you believe that a nice massage will cure decapitation if you have the right attitude.

Thank you madamez, that was me, and there were a few squeaks about homeopathy and religion not being comparable, but I think it's pretty clear that they are.

From today's paper, it appears that the homeopath parents have since had another child. I hope it's removed from them for its own safety.

The news this morning is still asserting that the family of the young woman stood firm and did not override her wishes.

Well maybe the family have chosen not to tell the press? The hospital wouldn't be allowed to after all. From what lissie (and logic) tells us the family have enough to cope with without the Sun bashing down their door!

So my message was deleted

Anyway, LeylaandSethsmum made a fantastic point. Should people be left to their beliefs whatever they may be and however they affect others? Even if they mean ritually killing children, cutting out women's clitorises or blowing of hundreds of innocent people going about their business in cities across the world?

Do the research and you'll discover for yourselves that the Watchtower and Bibletract Society (the organisation behind the JWs that publishes all its "scripural material") has moved the goalposts countless times over the years rregarding the use of blood and blood products, to suit its own agenda.

There was a time when it had a total embargo on the use of all elements of blood - now it does not. Give it a few more years and I daresay that a woman like this one will have no need to die and leave her children motherless.

It's such a tragedy and a waste of life and for what .

VVV - at the cost of your registrar. It might well depend on the area. I think you can get one in my area for about £40!

Our wedding - done for legal stuff - was £98 in total - oh and £20 for drinks in the pub (just us and 2 friends).

krazykoolkazza - is it because it is a religious decision that you are against this womans decision? What if this was at a height of a blood scare problem, and she chose not to have a transfusion. Would that be acceptable to you?

There is a difference IMO between extreme religious beliefs (you draw parallels with extreme Islamics etc) and a choice NOT to have a blood transfusion.

I am not a JW, I do have a lot of friends who are, and I read The Watchtower and Awake, but at the end of the day, this was the womans choice.

i don't really want to wade on in again, having made such an almighty mess of it all last night when i should have moved away as soon as i saw what it was about. Yes, i think it was madamez - i have very personal experience of religion taking away a mother. And there are parallels, which is what made it so sad for me to read that almost 30 years on from the incident in my life, religion is still managing to brain wash people to such an extent that they end up leaving their children behind.

And re the media reports today about the family standing firm - think it is none of the media's businss frankly what they said. Whatever the rights and wrongs she has died and her family need to grieve in private.

But I hope this is the last time... I really hope this is the last time.

lissie - do you really think its your place to come on here saying allsorts such as the dad is not bonding with the twins etc
and that they did give her the transfusion after all but it was too late
its up to the family if they decide to make these details public knowledge
have some respect

Too right robin. I wish everyone would drop the debate, dont get me wrong not forget about emma and family but leave them all in peace and stop talking behind all their backs

Actually - do you know what is REALLY awful?

Fuck the religion aspect, FUCK this woman's personal choices in her birth plan. FUCK all of it. There were things that could have been done by the maternity staff but they werent.

WORSE STILL - there are many other women (and babies) who die each year through complications during childbirth without it being the patients "fault" at all. It's a real indictment of our maternity and hospital services that women are still dying. These poor women and their tragic and needless deaths dont get as much column space as a good old story alienating folk against religion. (And selling hundreds of thousands of papers to the baying crowds - who needs religion when we have the sacrificial scapegoats proffered up by the media?).

THAT is the real tragedy.