Shamima begum allowed to return to UK

[mummabear1967]

Surely I’ve got this wrong? She’s actually allowed back to the UK after joining a terrorist group abroad?

Anyone just a tiny bit worried about what might happen if she does return?

Why would we want to hang on to foreign criminals or illegal immigrants?

We don’t. They are generally deported to their country of citizenship.

HookShot
I totally agree with your comment about her skin colour. I also think her being a child when she went didn’t help: her behaviour considered unbecoming of children. Resulting in her actions demonised more than those of fully fledged mid 20s plus adults.

She shouldn't be allowed back, if she's arrested - what's to say she won't begin radicalising other inmates? I don't know how rehabilitation would work with her.

You would think, given that she's lived with isis and lost multiple children that she would of been remorseful but all the footage I've seen of her, she looks like a nasty, evil woman.

I can't sympathise, I don't want her in this country.

she's lived with isis and lost multiple children that she would of been remorseful

She has been showing remorse and denouncing ISIS though.
She'll assumedly stand trial, if the hearing does not support the notion that she was a raped child bride and the blame lies with the authorities in failing to protect her. she'll then serve a sentence of up to ten years for proscription offences under sections 11 and 12. I assume it wouldn't be ten years given only 10/40 returned jihadist's have even faced prosecution.

Why would we want to hang on to foreign criminals or illegal immigrants?

We don't and SB isn't either of those...how is this relevant?

I think she should be given another chance. She was just a schoolgirl when she was recruited and was badly used, has suffered and hardly likely to do it all again.

She is a foreign criminal to the Syrians though (and may be an illegal immigrant too). My point is that if they don't want her, we must take her back or else accept that we shouldn't expect other countries to take their criminals back when we want to get rid of them.

@runningawaywiththecircus is correct.

If her citizenship is eventually reinstated, it’s very different to ‘giving her another chance.’ Imagine the headlines if that was the decision of security services, and she went on to perpetrate a terror attack on British soil. This is not an individual who can ever be allowed to walk the streets. Remember, terrorists only have to make it work once, security services have to get it right every single time. There are methods of dealing with high risk individuals, but people often disagree with them on the basis that it’s not following international human rights law.

Deradicalisation programs are extremely high risk. We categorically do not have sufficient data to understand whether they work. I wouldn’t want my children to be near her even afterwards, and so what right does the government have to demand that of the public?

To want this individual to be reintegrated and openly allowed into society is kind, but it’s also said from a position of privilege. People who have lost loved ones to terror attacks, people who have life limiting injuries as a result, the traumatized people of Syria who lived in ISIS controlled land. If that risk was posed to you, wouldn’t you do everything to avoid it? I’m thankful that this will, in the end, be a security based decision. However, to maintain that, security services desperately need more investment and further integration (domestic-international).

Let's just hope that this doesn't encourage other countries to strip their nationals of citizenship when they break the law in our country.

I'd hate for them to dump their criminals on us...

I heard her described as ‘vulnerable’ by someone who knows her when this first blew up. I wonder if she has learning difficulties.

There is never this level of vitriol for Lisa Smith who was a grown woman and an army officer when she left to join ISIS. She's freely walking the streets of the ROI now. She could very easily come to the UK because there's no border control between the ROI and the UK.

Let her make her case from over there I am sure that all the lawyers advising her would love to go there and get a real feel for it all

She should be made an example of !

@mediciempire Lisa Smith has a GPS tag, is not allowed access to the phone or internet, has a curfew of 8pm and is heavily surveilled. She has clear travel restrictions that limit her movement within her local area, let alone toward the border.

I still believe that this is a high risk decision, and plenty of colleagues were astounded that she was not simply remanded in custody (where she was held in segregation).

[quote sergeilavrov]@mediciempire Lisa Smith has a GPS tag, is not allowed access to the phone or internet, has a curfew of 8pm and is heavily surveilled. She has clear travel restrictions that limit her movement within her local area, let alone toward the border.

I still believe that this is a high risk decision, and plenty of colleagues were astounded that she was not simply remanded in custody (where she was held in segregation).[/quote]
But she is still in the country.

I’m not anymore worried about her returning than I am any of the other terrorise or potential terrorise the authorise are aware of.

I think she should return. I think she should have a fair trial that includes consideration of mitigating factors such as her age and how she was groomed.

@mediciempire She is in Ireland, who received her from Turkish deportation. Ireland makes different decisions to the UK, as a sovereign nation-state.

[quote sergeilavrov]@mediciempire She is in Ireland, who received her from Turkish deportation. Ireland makes different decisions to the UK, as a sovereign nation-state.[/quote]
I am aware but it just seems as if there was very little public outcry and condemnation. I've seen people saying SB should be hung on social media. Nobody seems to be as bothered by LS who as an army officer, you would assume to be educated on terrorism.

No she doesn't have 'learning difficulties' I read somewhere that she was a straight A student.....
Anyway ...

Oh well, I'm wrong then. This is what someone who knew her said after she disappeared.

I'm not interested in the colour of her skin, I'm just disgusted by her behaviour and the attitude she has for the country she was raised in. She has shown no remorse for her involvement with ISIS, she has just toned down her rhetoric to imply that she is no longer radical and has tried to present herself as a victim, in order to return to the UK, not because she views it as her home, but in order to escape the camp she ended up in. She had the courage of her convictions when she left the UK, but appears to have conveniently changed her mindset now that she wants the UK to take her back - so, she's a hypocrite as well.

If it is correct that she is eligible for Bangladeshi citizenship but she is CHOOSING not take it up due to the threat of being executed for terrorism, then she is not ‘stateless’ but choosing to be and we don’t have to overturn her citizenship revocation. I very much hope that’s the case and if there is such a thing as karma, it bites her in the ass.

If what she has been accused of is true (stitching bombs into clothing and being part of the female death squad), she obviously has no problem with executing other people. If you’re that fucked up as a ‘child’ no amount of therapy to de radicalise you is going to help. It never ceases to amaze me that people fall for sob stories that people make up to get what they want. The 3 babies dying was a stroke of genius to get sympathy from the gullible.

As for her being a ‘home grown’ terrorist, that was her parent’s responsibility not mine or anyone else’s surely?

Due to all the woke liberal elite whining about discrimination and free speech, people like her have been allowed to get away with vocally hating and wanting to destroy the very country that they are privileged to live in, in comfort and safety, so the blood that this woman and her ilk have spilled is on their hands too.

As for the posters who are ‘delighted’ she is being allowed back into this country, I’m sure your lack of brain cells will mean that you’re VERY surprised when the tiger you’ve invited to tea decides to eat you instead of the cucumber sandwiches you’ve laid out.

AlternativePerspective homosexuality is a capital crime in several countries. How would you feel about a British citizen being sentenced to death for that? Or what if Michael Gove had done cocaine in Thailand and jailed for years or executed for that?