Am sorry to say this but.....Maddie's full DNA has been found in the hire car.

[Jezebeltheharlot]

tis on SKY news now.......

Who is jumping to conclusions? Is talking about what all the media is talking about and what Sky news said tonight mawkish speculation?

You really expect people to ignore the biggest news story of the week and not talk about it until the day the McCanns are absolved of all wrong doing or charged? That is ridiculous!

Like I said, when it involved some of you directly (the shrek ad) and you had to worry about YOUR children, it was ok to bring down a large part of the McCanns campaign to keep the child in the news. It was stated in the news as a mumsnet thing, not just a few of mumsnet

How can people come on and say "i've not read the posts, but you are distasteful" At least read and see wha thas been written rather than go on a few posts from friday, that mentioned pigs and odour

I will ask again too, where is this one post about pigs that has affected you all so much, cos no one seems to able to find it

I can see what you mean mcedam. Im gonna ban myself from coming ont these threads until the evidence is all out because it is easy to get wound up. Especially when a child disappears and theres a lot of speculation. I dont know what happened, i just know the way its being put across and it would anger me to think theyve been conning everyone all along. Ill just see what happens and hopefully that is not the case. Anyway im retiring from this thread as until we actually know whats going on were just gonna all argue.

Go to bed Sophable. No one is excited.

This was the first post I have ever posted about MM and I knew it would get a reaction but all these 'register my distaste' is so pointless.

No one is excited. she should be with her family and I hope she is found soon so this pointless speculation and grief can end.

And Mumsnet can go back to normal fighting about eating grapes in supermarkets and bottle v breastfeeding!!

I'm not into speculation around this case either, and I rarely post on these threads. However, it is in the news and if people want to talk about and hypothesise about it, they are free to aren't they?

It's not my bag, but it's easy to not read the threads.

It wouldn't do for us all to be the same would it?

"HMC....who is speculating?"

You are with the thread title "Am sorry to say this but.....Maddie's full DNA has been found in the hire car"

Why would you be "sorry to say this" unless you were inferring guilt / that it is incriminating?

Yes, the title could have been better put.

the Mccanns themselves have courted teh media. it is silly to say that now things have taken a more seedy turn that they no longer want media involvment.

people are going to speculate and they are going to discuss the information being brought to light and yes of course they will have an opinion.

im sorry but this is ridicuous. i fully understood people requesting that they were not slated for leaving teh children alone in teh beggining of the case as there was no evedence to say they had done anything wrong....they were desperate to fnd their child and it would have been horrific for them to see such criticism online.

but now that they are publicly declared to be a suspect i think it niave to expect anything but discussion and people speculating that maybe they had an involvment.

I don't really watch teh news or read newspapers but teh odd bits and pieces i have heard i must say that i am more concerned by the Mccanns behaviour on that night and that no some things dont add up in my mind.
of course this could all be because of misreporting in order to sell papers, it could be because the portuguese police are useless and just want to get this solved and blame anyone but a portuguese person.

either way i am not overly interested but many are. many haveinvested much time and energy in spreading teh word about madaliene and now they find that there is a certain amount of evedence that casts a shadow over teh McCanns.
i think they have every right to discuss what is happening in the news

Jezebel - also i am sorry to say - your interpretation of whatever you heard on the BBC about partial and full DNA matches is comepletely innacurate. Full and partial DNA matches refer to the number of chromosomes (out of the sequence of 20 that we all have) which match the subject. So, if in a sample, 15 chromosomes can be identified as the same, and the others non matching, or can't be identified, it is a partial match. if all can be identified, and match, it is a full match. The amount of contact (or actual presence in the car)wouldn't determine whether the match was complete or not.

Oh FGS HMC.

According to the news and all the papers tomorrow her DNA has been found in the boot of the hire car.

End of.

I am sorry to say this because I was the one saying it. If I hadnt posted it someone else would have done.

DONT READ IT IF YOU DONT LIKE IT! none of us like it but it is newsworthy!

Woah there - steady! Watch that blood pressure

'I cannot remember a time, before the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, when such sparse fragments of fact were spun into so many acres of print and hours of broadcast news coverage over so many months.' Martin Bell

Mamazon has found fit to decide that the Mccanns may be guilty, even though she does not read papers - just hears things!

That's why inaccurate and ill-informed 'discussion' do damage.

Mamazon - read my posts below - 10.41. It won't take you a minute.

Good night all.

Hey 2mum, I think that's very sensible and will follow your example (of getting off) in a minute.

Jezebel, how do you know what all the papers will say tomorrow? Some might well follow up the most lurid half-truths but I bet not all of them will print them as straightforward evidence of guilt. And I bet some of the papers at least will provide some context and backgrounders on DNA science and how not-very-simple it is.

may i ask,if sky news are well known to be unreliable and print(?its too late i cant think of the word)stories that are just speculation and not based on facts,have they been sued for libel on several occasions?

genuine question as i dont have a clue about whats what in the world of news reporting.

its just i have taken to thinking 'oh,its not really true' when i read sky news reports linked to on here,but i dont know why i think this?

One trick, I think it's even more complicated than that. AFAIK humans usually have 23 pairs of chromosones. The '20' figure is to do with the methodology of DNA forensic testing, not to do with the make-up of the human body as such. IIRC.

Sky reports early and doesn't double check before reporting. Google any analysis of their stories on 9/11 - they reported all sorts of rubbish that simply wasn't true.

The BBC double-sources stories so may appear to take longer but actually sticks as far as possible to the facts.

thanks McEdam

Just read the sky news page. They are reporting the DNA to be be an almost perfect match and conclusive evidence that M was in the car

Got me thinking, if the police have got these results and interpreted them wrongly, wouldn;t the british based lab intervene and tell them the got it wrong? It is these results, it would seem, that has pushed the case forward. I can't imagine the lab would want their reputation tainted (speculation, go shoot me)

Same with the specialist sniffer dogs (won't call them their real name as might offend) wouldn't the british police be saying "whoa, you got that wrong!"

BBC are reorting that childrens services are now reviewing the situation. It is such horrific story however it turns out

You know, the only thing that stops me feeling thoroughly fucked off with this whole place is that those posters I am fond of and admire are posting along the lines of my own opinions.
The rest of it - the endless poring over the minutiae of the case and the endless faux-digusted hand wringing is utterly depressing.

Sadly we seem to be in the minority.

Sky News - never wrong for long

yes Onetrickmummy - they MIGHT be guilty. i have no opinion one way or another but yes i do find some of the information that has apparantly come to light to be a little alarming if it is true...of course i take all information gleened from conversation with people who have read newspapers with a large amount of salt. you will see from my post that i stated that much may be from misreporting and even more from poor policing.

maybe if you read my post properly instead of just trying to shout everyone down who disagree's with you, you would have got that.

i have not come on here to argue the Mccanns innocence or guilt, i have no knowledge of teh case and as the police are not allowed to discuss the case nor does anyone else.

what i am arguing is that everyone has the right to discuss the information that has been released by the press. if you think what has been stated is wrong then take that up with the media in which such info has been gleaned from.

I almost feel like searching your names and see how many "in the news" threads you have all merrily joined in with and ask why this is any different.

you are making out like anyone who has taken and interest in teh developments is somehow "getting their rocks off" about the possible murder of a young girl. i dont think there is a person alive who doesn't wish with all their being that the little girl has been snacthed and is in fact being held safe and well somewhere.

I've only skimmed this, so sorry if it's been pointed out. But wouldn't it be a tad difficult to transfer the body into the car 5 weeks after she had alledgedly died and have no one see them? And wouldn't a 5 week old corpse spell horrible?

And.... there is no body, right?

Maybe this is just wishful thinking because I find the idea that Kate and Gerry killed her to be absolutely inconceivable. But I do wonder if the portuguese police just wanted them out of Portugal because their presense was bad for the tourism industry.

I'm inclined to think Kate and Gerry are not guilty. But, then what do I know? Perhaps there is evidence of which I am not aware.

The family has been continuing to behave all along as if Maddie has just gone away for a bit - reportedly the twins insist on having a plate for her at meals.

So of course all her clothes, toys and other belongings (hairbrush! toothbrush!) will have gone in the car when they moved from one place to another. So of course her DNA will be in the vehicle! Why does this news have to be treated as suspicious, or even incriminating, by some people here?

It says far more about the minds of those people than it does about the actions of McCanns

the results were done in a british based lab.

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