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Human bloody rights and convicted murderers

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shinyhappytonks · 20/08/2007 20:16

Makes me so mad

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6955071.stm

and since when does 'a life sentence' mean you get out when you are 26

11 paltry years for taking someones life, and altering an entire family

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Heathcliffscathy · 21/08/2007 20:48

nearly cried about five times. showed the s african truth and recon commision, that wonderful woman that lost her son last year and refused to spout hatred and bile, and thingie that used to be a nun and writes about fundamentalism now, kathy iwll know her name.....shit, can't remember.

then had head to head between father that lost his son in shooting last year and could forgive, vs ex-priest who lost her daughter in 7/7 bombings.

was fascinating. my conclusion for all it's worth was that if you cannot forgive you are killing a bit of yourself.

Bubble99 · 21/08/2007 21:01

I vividly remember hearing the father of the little boy who was killed in the Omagh bombings, too. It must make people 'heal' quicker?

Heathcliffscathy · 21/08/2007 21:51

i don't think it is quick. and i don't think you do completely.

but it means there isn't festering.

and i'm preaching to someone that knows much more about this than me

Bubble99 · 21/08/2007 21:56

Yes, soph. I will never forget those medical staff. Ever.

But I can forgive because I know that they did not set off for work that night with the intention of killing my child.

Heathcliffscathy · 21/08/2007 21:58

and the forgiveness being talked about today was of people that had every intention of murdering. which is partly why it was so moving.

it was a really good and very strange (for the news) piece. commendable.

Bubble99 · 21/08/2007 22:05

I've seen my mum become so bitter over the years about the loss of her son. It has consumed her and affected her relationship with my remaining brother and I. She almost seems to want to not come to terms with it.

Losing my son still hurts physically, like a punch in the stomach sometimes. The pain feels exactly the same as when he died., but it happens less frequently.

Heathcliffscathy · 21/08/2007 22:07

bubble. no mn hugs

if i could wrap you in my arms right now I would.

Bubble99 · 21/08/2007 22:09

Thanks, soph.

noddyholder · 21/08/2007 22:10

Forgiveness is such a powerful and positive thing.The trouble is most people just don't get it and assume that if you forgive someone you are saying what they did was ok but really forgiveness rarely has much to do with the other party and everything about finding the ability to let go and move on within your own self.

Bubble99 · 21/08/2007 22:12

Anyway.

WRT the OP.

I've read on Sky (so it might not be true) news that the Home Office is appealing the deportation decision on the grounds that Chindamo still poses a risk to the public. Surely they should be appealing against parole, if this is the case?

WideWebWitch · 21/08/2007 22:17

I haven't read the thread, just the OP but can I just hazard a guess that this is wrt the Daily Hate headline today? FFs, Daily Mail sohuld be illegal on grounds of incitement to racial hatred. And decency. And printing shite.

Bubble99 · 21/08/2007 22:19

And giving away crap DVDs.

Heathcliffscathy · 21/08/2007 22:19

govt by daily mail i'm afraid bubble.

tis heinous. you're absolutely right, it is the parole that hsould be being appealed if anything.

not the deportation based on middle england's up in armsness based on the media.

sick.

Desiderata · 21/08/2007 22:20

The crime statistics that we've been referred to on this thread are gathered and collated by the government.

Really, they are the very last people you should believe. It's their primary function to protect us and they fail, every single day. They twist the facts, they contort the facts, they invent the facts.

Violence and anti-social behaviour is a hundred times more palpable now then it ever was. I defy anyone to deny that. I really do.

Heathcliffscathy · 21/08/2007 22:21

more palpable?

does that means there is MORE?

no. there isn't.

desi, what does more palpable mean? we feel it more? we are more acutely sensitised to it? yes, and that is based on media coverage. absolutely.

Desiderata · 21/08/2007 22:27

Where do you live, Soph?

When I was a kid, gangs of feral teenagers did not roam around the streets murdering people.

And whilst we're on the subject, the daily MN rant about the Daily Mail is a bit of a piss off for those people who actually read it. It is, whether you like it or not, one of the most widely read papers in the UK.

You wouldn't, I'm sure, take the piss out of ethnic minorities or disabled people, and yet it seems to be fine to constantly sneer at ordinary people and the choices they make with their morning paper.

What paper do you lot read that makes you so fecking holier-than-thou?

UCM · 21/08/2007 22:29

Oooooooooooooooooo was going to bed >

WideWebWitch · 21/08/2007 22:30

I have to go to bed but imo The Daily Mail is an utter load of awful xenophobic, sexist, toxic shite.

Heathcliffscathy · 21/08/2007 22:31

i do read it. my granny gets it. i also know someone that writes for it. he finds it inexcusably emotive and fear driven also, but it pays far better than the broadsheets.

desi, come on, incomparable....the paper you choose to read compared the disability or ethnic minority you have no choice over. fgs.

and groups of feral kids murdering people. WHERE. in the papers. it's that common.

noddyholder · 21/08/2007 22:31

desiderata being a mail reader and the ridicule it invokes is not comparable to racism or any other ism.

Desiderata · 21/08/2007 22:32

Y'see, that's funny, because I'm none of those things. And yet, by extension, you would appear to be accusing me of it.

So, witch, what paper do you read?

Hurlyburly · 21/08/2007 22:33

The Daily Mail. Do people really read the Daily Mail? I thought it was published just to annoy people like me.

Desiderata · 21/08/2007 22:35

So, feral kids roaming around murdering people is an invention of the Daily Mail?

And yes, of course the argument is not comparable, but I'm trying to get you lot to understand that if you happen to be a Daily Mail reader (I actually don't buy papers any more), then the constant, almost lemming-like lambast might be a tad irritating for those who do read it.

I don't remember anyone being so rude as to suggest that anyone who reads the Guardian is a bastard .... even though I suspect it might be the case

Heathcliffscathy · 21/08/2007 22:36

desi. i expect you have been a victim of violence?

I have. I got whacked (hard) round the face with the back of a hairbrush for no reason at all that I could see by a complete stranger at the swimming baths when i was 12. (that would be 1984).

I also got hassled on sunday night (you've read the thread) and that kind of thing happens sporadically and always has done.

so i'm sure you've suffered more and have more anecdotal evidence than I do.

I was more scared in the 70s and 80s. on the streets (I was on the more, but also stats back that up).

NadineBaggott · 21/08/2007 22:36

A LOT of people on here read the Guardian Desi - get used to it - I have