Human bloody rights and convicted murderers

[shinyhappytonks]

Makes me so mad

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6955071.stm

and since when does 'a life sentence' mean you get out when you are 26

11 paltry years for taking someones life, and altering an entire family

Peach, tell me a better way then. Because whats going on at the moment isn't working.

And normally i would agree that a sentence until old age is appropriate for murder, i do think that being a child negates that somewhat, but I would say middle age at the earliest, certainly for someone who was after all, fairly close to adulthood at the time

shit senora...missed that, are you ok?

god forbid anyone on this thread should ever have recourse to 'bloody human rights'.

Well if every bleeding heart liberal left .......... perhaps anarchy would be a story I could tell my granchildren about?

He's a foreign national by a quirk of admin. He hasn't lived in Italy since he was 6 years old. What a strange thread. I think there is a distinction to be drawn between those who come to Britain in adulthood and commit heinous crimes and those who grow up here and commit heinous crimes.

That wasn't personal btw. Just how I feel.

Letting him out at age 70 would mean a 55 year sentence, being placed upon a child. I can't see this ever occuring in out society. Certainly not on a minor.

Also part of rehabilitation is to get that person back amongst their family, if there family are there and will accept them back. IME most will, esp when the person committing the crime was a child at the time. To send someone back to a country that they know nothing about and have no memory/experience of living there - he was 6yo remember when he left - would not be conjucive(sp?) to the rehabiliton process.

No it isn't, but capital punishment didn't work either, sadly. I do believe in long, hard jail terms- and I believe that a lot of the curent problems are rrelated to a society that seems to alienate kids at a young age, and where communities ahve completely broken down- as a child, it was OK to play outside because if I got up to no good, someone from the estate would alert my aprents and I would know about it. taht world doesn't exist. But capital punishment is really, just revenge. There have to be ways of making those improsoned work for the good of society- even if its just cahrity fundraising or something- which at least forces then to be part of something useful.

UCM "nothing personal" my arse. you want state sanctioned murder, move to the US.

what anarchy????

murder rates are steady. as are crime rates overall.

we live longer and better than we ever have.

Life without parole for the most heinous crimes of capital murder.

Don't see what's wrong with that at all.

I do not believe capital punishment would make things any different. All the countries that still have it still have crime, and not necessarily in lower figures than us.

thanks sophable. it was only traumatic in terms of stress etc, nothing really serious. and it is great now. tiny village, everyone knows everyone, no pizza for miles - you'd hate it!

And please keep in mind that the death penalty is not universal across the entire US.

Some states do not have it.

I know I have banged my gums about this, but this mans children live next door to me.

[takes expat aside for a vodka and a quiet word about how this thread isn't america bashing honest....yet ]

I don't understand human rights legislation. When I was a primary school governor we were told that four year olds had to be allowed to choose their own lunch (even if they chose toast and biscuits, which they all did) because the school had taken legal advice and to insist that they eat vegetables would infringe their human rights.

Either it's a very, very bad and stupid law or someone is doing a very bad job of explaining what the benefits of the legislation are. It's like "health and safety". These days you never think "oh good, health and safety". You think "oh god, health and safety".

I don't wither expat, not for ALL murders but there are some certainly (child murders for example)

but thsi man WAS a child himself

Doesn't mean he should escape punishment, but nonetheless it needs to be taken into account

UCM it takes all sorts. It HAS to take all sorts, because if it didn't the world would be a scary place (I mean liberals V yourself, not murders of course)

Prison could be made tougher and harder. But the process of rehabilitation needs to become ahuge focus, much more so than it is no.

Life without parole brings its own set of problems too. A person with no future, no chance of rehabilitation has no incentive to reform. And actually several of the people, espcially children and YOs who are in prison for murder, are first time offenders who actually are likely to reform and become sensible and law abiding adults.

I want proper action, not bleeding heart liberal 'lets find a course for them'.

God, sometimes this site has the 'evening class mentality' where someone reads a book or goes on a Monday to study something for 2 hours to get away from the kids and comes back as a fucking pharmacist!!

Can you not see what is happening with your own eyes.

It DID NOT HAPPEN when I was growing up. So maybe something then was right.

Ok, I need a cup of tea.

Hulababy - you are right and there are other issues as well. If you have capital punishment it must be applicable to all members of society.... and how do you ensure equality?

I could (but won't) go on about this since I covered the death penalty in my final uni exam. It was a gruesome but fascinating study. Methods of execution, methods of appeal, how long do you wait before carrying it out (China almost immediately, USA could be years later) ensuring colour/gender/age/race equality in applying it.... there are many variables. It still doesn't make a lot of difference.

margoandjerry

have a look at human rights on wikipaedia, thats the nonsesnse I was talking about! Human Rights legilation is designed to prevent people being tortured, murdered, locked up without conviction or finding themselves stateless. It entitles disbaled children to an education, gives women security from rape.... really, it is NOT about letting 4 year old kids eat junk.

UCM, did they ahev capital punishment when you were gorwoing up? Doubt it, you didnt look that old in your pictures.

Evening class mentality? Do yu mean, informed people who have studied?

I agree with Hula.

Life without parole = life without hope. Might as well bring back capital punishment (which I oppose by the way). I believe in redemption not an eye for an eye, otherwise what hope is there?

Breathe

No Peachy, I didnt' just some people drive me up the wall in general and I am not talking just on here. Yes corporal punishment was just being taken out of schools as I was a teenager. I had it though.

Will, someone please tell me that they think that the personalising of the wrongdoer and giving them all the time in the world, counselling, probation and generally ignoring the victims, WORKS?