Pro-paedophilia campaigner locked up - too blinking right!!!

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Well, Vermont is Vermont. I am pretty sure that judge won't be working for long.

In the UK, since Lord Carlisle brought a law change in 1988, the prosecution can appeal any judgement that they consider too lenient. This situation could never happen in the UK...>

In terms of being a victim, I don't think anger and a throw away the key attitude is that victorious over the abuser myself. It seems more of an act of desperation. To have empathy as a victim is far more powerful and the bravest of survivors sometimes demonstrate this ability. I am in awe, for had I been abused as a child I doubt I'd achieve it but I've been close to abuse and I still aim for empathy and understanding as anything else just feels like I'm the loser.

I'm not sure that it's "wrong" for an adult to be attracted to a child. Repulsive and repugnant to the very vast majorirty of adults but not necessarily wrong if the adult doesn't in any way act upon that attraction.

To act upon it is certainly wrong and this is the clear message that society gives. Anyone who does so must recieve punishment appropriate to their actions and here I agree with those who think that there should be scales of punishment for different offences.

We don't know why all paedophiles are attracted to children and unless we try to find out by understanding then we risk missing opportunities to prevent harm to children. Some will have been abused as children themselves, others will not, some, I dare to suggest may be born with that sexual preference.

Strangely, Vermont was also the birth-place of the Stop It Now! campaign that arrived in this country a few years ago. A feature of this is a tlephone contact that men can use IF they are fearful of their urges and wish to stop them. It is done in confidentiality, and obviously appeals to such men's sense of self-responsibility.

KerryM maybe people don't say this to you because you are a victim but you are being incredibly stupid in your interpretation of what I'm saying. Your attitude offends me deeply and I don't feel I have to protect you from that view just because you experienced the things you did. You don't need to ram your experiences down my throat; just knowing you are a victim is enough for me to appreciate your standpoint and anything beyond this smacks of unresolved issues around the abuse you experienced thus rendering your comments rather less objective than is helpful in this debate. Is it possible that you can remove yourself for a moment from this role as victim and consider the other side? That is empathy and I don't doubt that that is difficult in your position but please don't be so unaccommodating of my more empathetic views.

Newlife - she was raped at the age of 6 years old fgs...she doesn't need to consider the other side of the story - she was a victim of the other side of it!

Kerry - fwiw I think you have been so brave and ignore the comments posted

newlife-i can only speak as a victim of domestic abuse and rape as an adult,and i spent a long time trying to understand why xp behaved in the way he did.i tried to justify it in my mind.it wasnt untill i accepted that he behaved that way because he was a complete tosser and chose to behave that way(he was,after all,an adult),that i started to come to terms with it.

who cares what drives these people to do such things to children?

pan-when i said 'if i am wrong please correct me',that was aimed at the actual victims of abuse on this thread.i apologise if you yourself have been a victim,though.

And really, my view was merely that through empathy and understanding we can do MORE about prevention.

It mystifies me that that the abused are disinterested in such concepts.

Would it be dangerous to debate the notion that sex with children is wrong on the basis that this is a relatively modern concept.

I believe it is wrong of course but also feel that there is much to be learned in questioning why as a society we have come to this view. It certainly wasn't always this way. In such debate we perhaps get closer to why and how adults develop paedophilic tendencies.

It vaguely perplexes me that here I am with extremely strong views on child abuse as it is a subject very, very close to me and yet I am being somewhat vilified for my opinions on the perpetrators.

and i cannot for a second understand why on earth anyone would want to empathise with a child abuser or paedophile.

not anybody who uses a parenting forum for its intended purpose anyway

Strong views as in being very against it OBVIOUSLY.

To repeat in short divastrop

SO WE CAN BETTER APPRECIATE THE WHYS AND HOWS SO WE CAN BETTER PREVENT IT

Was that clear that time?

diva - no, not been a victim of sexual abuse. Have read a lot of prosecution stuff, seen a lot of video taped interviews of victims. Asessed alot of perpetrators, of varying types, and have facilitated on alot of perpetrators groups
In private know quite a few women, and one very close male friend who was abused by a GP when he was 14.
Victim's reactions vary wildly. IME.

Kerry - you are not a loser at all, I think the climate in this country is far too much these days aimed at the human rights of the perpetrator rather than to help the victim.

Obviously someone who looks at child porn should not be punished to the same extent at someone who abuses a child but at the end of the day we all know what is RIGHT and what is WRONG "if you cant do the time then dont do the crime"

It IS about time the ISPs who allow child porn to exist at all on the internet are prosecuted - I read that one said that stopping child porn would be "too much like censorship" what bollocks - hit their profits and I bet they would soon have more interest in removing it.

but thank you diva for checking my 'status' as possible victim, in any case.

newlife-i am starting to think that you are the one with unresolved issues.

Child abuser or paedophile's take away the rights of children, why the hell should child abuser or paedophile's have rights they should be lined up tortured and shot.Simple answer to why they do it they are sick bastards.

divastrop, why?

Oh Newlife - perhaps you should try some EMPATHY for Kerry.

Surely peodophiles are attracted to children - how can you change what someone is attracted to ultimately they know ACTING on it is wrong.

The interests of most perpetrators and their victims are NOT mutually exclusive. It isn't and/or. It's and/and, for the better life of all concerned.

for kerry,diva and others on thids thread who have suffered the ultimate abuse and breach of trust.

Completely agree with you