Pro-paedophilia campaigner locked up - too blinking right!!!

[tigerschick]

here

Sick

[steps back quietly through the doorway and gently closes the door]

Actually, you said piss off first, if I may be argumentative.

ok.

And it wasnt nasty either.

Please explain how it was nasty?

Do I? Are you sure you're not talking about yourself VVV

I'm not in the habit of talking about myself, usually.

Far more interesting to talk about other things.

Ah, another "bully" allegation from KM...

If I have posted something, without reading the thread in full detail (ie, since my last post), how on EARTH can it be nasty/malicious?

Seriously? You are reading FAR too much into it.

But, I will go off and read......clearly something has upset you.

Don't make me come down there...

I dont personally go for the 'string em up' line of thinking but i can see why some people may not share that approach.
Someone who has been a victim of abuse is surely entitled to feel WHATEVER they want, however counterproductive it is, it may not be the intellectual approach, it may not be constructive but i would never deign to tell them they are in the wrong or to mock their viewpoint.

JV - you're right, good god!!

Not seeing anywhere anyone telling any victim how they should be feeling. But..their experience and reaction to it isn't the defining response we all should have, including all other victims.

Not a one person on this thread who has been a victim has said.."this is how I feel about it..but others MAY feel differently."..and as I have repeatedly said, victim responses vary hughly.

apart from one person, what seems hours ago..and it probably was..a woman who thought her abuser was probably giving himself a very hard time.

BTW I have reported your 2 posts where you call me an unpleasant name Pan.I'm not here to take personal abuse.

Im so sorry to read of your experiences Kerrymum. How truly awful for you.

Unfortunately, you share a commonality with many, many MNers with such experiences. It does leave permanent scars that often never heal.

I started a thread, some time ago now, about rape and sexual assualts, and if they were ever reported, and the number of brave responses and harrowing stories was almost unbearable.

Its easy to make a quick judgement about someone, without knowing the full facts. So I do so wish you wouldnt dismiss Pan's comments. He's not nasty either, and, he sadly deals with experiences such as yours on an almost daily basis. It makes him pretty well-placed to address the subject, I feel. (hope you dont mind my saying, Pan).

I still refute that my comment was nasty, or directed at you, or designed to offend you. It was simply flippant in exasperation at these types of go-nowhere, string-em-up threads.

No probs VVV.

Camm is just a sort of hanger on on other's misfortune.

No, you're not going to get me to "tell my story" Pan

I'm sure you don't have one. night.

You'll never know

Wow alot has been going on while I was sleeping!
Kerry, So sorry to read what happenend to you. And you can "shove it down"anyone's throat. I don't see anywhere more than apropriate than here to express what you feel.
You ( and others, sorry did not get all the names) are how we understand more about this issue.

Newlife, Empathy???? what the F* are you thinking?
You are so tactless!

Fair enough, we are not savages and live in democracy, but I rather agree with the lock'em up(after due process of law) and then we'll see aproach. I say stick them on the wall and strip them bare (their soul I mean) but behind locked doors.
I mean it is well documented than therapy in the open world without medical castration brings out the urge.
I'm sorry but medical castration does have a place in this treatment, if only temporarily to get down to the bottom of the well and get them to speak out their wildest ugliest fantasies.

As for vigilante activity, well here again, we live in democracy and why would we want to shut them up??

I cringe when I see prolife picketing however, without fail, everytime I see them, I start thinking about abortion and thinking is what makes me a better (informed) person.

There are always 2 siddes to the story but please let's not forget who the baddies are. The victims have enough shit to deal with. They don't need to add another layer of guilt and frustration at the idea that their abuser is a poor sick soul that deserves sympathy.

Pan that was me. Obviously it's a circumstantial thing, I fail to see how anyone could miss that. The level of abuse that someone like Kerry has suffered is far higher than what I've suffered. Should the person who abused her be put away for life/chemically castrated? Given that she was 6, yes, probably. Should the man who abused me have the same treatment? Given I was 14 or 15 and putting it about anyway, probably not, in my opinion.

As for vigilantes, Slim, the reason you'd want to shut them up and stop their ridiculous campaigns is that they hardly ever get it right! Remember the recent problem where some bunch of idiots got paedophile and paedatrician muddled up??? Further to that, people are falsely accused of rape and sexual abuse all the time - in my opinion that in itself is a good enough reason not to undertake vigilante action - how'd you feel if your dad or brother or son was falsely accused and beaten to death by ignorant idiots who just heard the word "paedophile" and flipped?

I do think understanding paedophilia is key to putting an end to abuse. I think different abusers must have very different reasons for doing what they do, and that is the important point. Yeah, lots of people just abuse children for kicks, and obviously they should be punished but others do it because they are so very broken they don't realise how bad it is. And they should probably be given some help to see if they can be prevented from reoffending. I fail to see how the "one-size-fits-all-string-em-out-an-castrate-the-lot" sort of attitude is helpful to anyone.

Also Slim, why would I feel guilty or frustrated to think my abuser had some sort of issues that led to his offences? Why? I just don't understand that. Maybe you or someone else could explain, because I'm not being funny, I honestly don't see the logic in it.

Mindles, that is a very rational post, except for the bit where you make kind of connection between your behaviour and that of your abuser. No-one is responsible for someone else abusing them.