i found this about madeleine

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Intercepted telephone calls and emails between the McCanns and their friends have "confirmed the death of Madeleine" say police, according to one Portuguese newspaper today. The intercepts are said to have been made in a joint operation conducted by Portuguese and British police officers.
Diario de Noticias reports investigators have already concluded that the missing four-year-old was killed in the apartment where she slept in Praia da Luz.

It says that Maddy's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann (right), and their friends who were holidaying at the Ocean Club, will be brought in for further questioning. Police are awaiting new tests from the McCanns' Renault Scenic.

According to another paper, Jornal de Noticias, police want to examine inconsistencies in the statements of Kate and Gerry McCann, who were interviewed separately late into the night early on in the investigation. In particular, they want to focus on a three-hour period in which only the McCanns saw Madeleine.

Respected news agency Lusa quotes one police source saying that they think "there's light at the end of the tunnel" and that the authorities have "an idea of what could have happened" to the four-year-old.

Police have known "for a month" that Madeleine had died in the apartment, it is widely reported. The tabloid newspaper 24 Horas says that the police are looking for Madeleine's body in the sea, helped by English sniffer dogs. They have intensified searches around the nearby town of Lagos and along the Algarvian coast, it says.

Blood found in the apartment two days ago has arrived in Britain for DNA analysis: a result can be expected inside 48 hours.

If you are a character in soap on tv or in a Jilly Cooper novel perhaps or maybe if you are 15 and at drama school then there is no way you would be washing your hair - because that is a highly emotive, 2 dimensional reaction and a dramatic way of responding to shock or tragedy.
My mum lost dad after nearly 60 years together. She organised the funeral with a very cool calm head - because "I owe him that". She got up every day and put her face on because " If I go hide in my bed I will never get up again" and she seldomn cried because "when I start I just can't stop and it hurts so".
I don't really have an opinion about the McCanns but please please stop the amature psycology.
There are only a handful of people in the world who actually can say what they would be doing as they have actually been in this situation.
I have no idea how they should behave and I pray that I never know.

Now please feel free to post "if it were me I would...actually pull my hair out/ weep and wail from dawn to dusk/go home/sell my house/beg forgiveness/eat shit and die/generally perform better

Anyone else remember the Ealing vicarage rape case in the 1980s? The girl who'd been gang raped (in appalling, terrifying, violent circumstances) did her best to appear calm and collected in court because she thought it was very important that she give clear evidence, and the daft judge ended up giving the men lenient sentences because from her demeanour in court he thought it was clear her trauma hadn't been great

I think that's a pretty good illustration of why it is important not to judge from appearances what someone's mental state is.

Completely agree with Kathy. There are some really horrible posts on here.

My dd is same age as Maddy and I look at her every day and think 'my god what has happened to that child (or worse still what is STILL happening to her )

Yes I pray she is returned and I could cry for her parents but I could also shake the pair of them 'what the hell were you thinking?'

The night in question seems to have a lot of inconsistencies.The distance, how often she was checked.Maybe its the media and the real facts are unknown.

But what I really think and I know I will be shot for this so hastily retreat, if they would have applied the same effort to looking after all of thier children that night as they are to now using the media,charity, travelling, pope, to find her..well she would still be here.

Truth is nobody knows what happened that night. But what we do know is that she should never have been left and I can understand that whilst people are praying for the family there will be a certain level of anger felt towards them

You often find that people going through very traumatic and stressful times do appear, on the outside, calm and collected, as if coping and getting on. It is a way of coping. By doing "normal" things it keeps them going.

What use would these parents be to their other children, or to little Madeleine and their quest to findher, if they stopped caring about the little stuff?

My only anger would be aimed at the person who has taken Madeleine.

I think Kate McCann looks completely haunted - shell-shocked.

Yeah, right, you care about madeleine more than her poor bloody parents
This is exactly what I mean.
On one thread they were criticised for not showing enough 'dignity' (FFS), now they are criticised, because althought poor Kate has clearly lost over a stone in weight, she washes her hair! What do you people want? The McCanns to kill themselves? ('ooh, very suspicious that, killing themselves. Bet they were just feeling guilty, eh? That proves they don't care about the twins.')

I'm actually quite surprised that nobody accused Suzy Lamplugh's mother of killing her. After all, she 'used' the media, raised money, started a fund... all very suspicious, apparently

So we're sniping at their faith now are we? Nice to see things have moved on .

totally agree with Aloha.
I think it is disgusting the way people are turning on the McCanns, as if they haven't got enough to deal with. And now specualting if one of the people they were at dinner were involved too
It beggars belief.

And hair.

OK then...

did anyone hear the Radio 4 interview with Kate McCann?

In case anyone hasn;t mentioned it already - the portuguese police have (again) issued a press release (in response the the leaks presumably) saying the McCanns are not suspects. If I understand things in the police world (assuming Potugal is simialr to the UK) they do not issued definite statements like that unless they are pretty sure.

The McCanns have opted for as much publicity as possible, in the desperate (and fading) hope of finding their child. They go on telly. They get their picture taken. They need, in this image-obsessed world, to look reasonable....or that's their decision, anyway, not to go down the unwashed wreck line. So she's coloured her hair. To be absolutely honest, I'd probably colour mine if I thought TV cameras were on me and I needed a touchup.

We all have opinions, I think it was mad to leave the children, meeting the pope was pointless and they should come home. BUT I'm not them (for which I am eternally grateful), my most fervent hope is that I never lose a child, and I have NO IDEA how I would behave should this most appalling tragedy happen to my family. They are who they are, they made the decisions they made, they are Catholics and poor Kate feels that to leave Portugal would be to abandon her daughter. YOu CANNOT say how you would behave unless it happens to you. Have none of you ever been surprised or disappointed by your own behaviour in a far lesser crisis? I certainly have. I have been cowardly at work when a friend's promotion was not going to be granted (I didn't tell her) panicky when my cat got its collar caught in its jaw (ran around the garden shrieking) and eerily calm when my ds choked on a fishbone. My experience is you have no idea how you will behave until it happens to you.

How did its collar become stuck in its jaw, though? Cats do get themselves into some situations.

I agree. Everyone reacts differently.

probably grooming? My cat did it once too, doing that big lick that they do down their front

God knows expat! Looked frighteningly freaky though! (eek! eek! Runs round in circles eek! Eeek!)

I hate it when they get their claws hooked on something.

I don't think the McCanns had anything to do with this.
But I think a lot of people feel the way a previous poster mentioned - like saying "What on earth were you thinking of".
the speculation and criticism are all part of this.

People seem to have become so much more cruel than they used to be.

Are all parents whose children get abducted to be subjected to this sort of judgemental scrutiny from now on? If the world wide web had existed in the past, would we all have been condemning Denise Bulger for leaving her toddler outside a shop? Would the Paynes be criticised for allowing their children to play out? Would the mothers of the victims of the moors murders be criticised for allowing their children to walk home by themselves? It didn't even occur to people in the past, to put parents of such tragedies through the wringer like this.

What level of supervision do people require, before they will wholeheartedly and unreservedly blame the perpetrators of the crime, instead of the parents? Is it because no perpetrator has been found yet, so people have to direct their venom at someone and the parents will do? If Ian Huntley hadn't been discovered so quickly, would the media and the mob have turned on Holly and Jessica's parents, as nature abhors a vacuum? I really wonder about this.

but 100 days later MO, aren't we done with the "what were you thinking of" yet?

"But what I really think and I know I will be shot for this so hastily retreat, if they would have applied the same effort to looking after all of thier children that night as they are to now using the media,charity, travelling, pope, to find her..well she would still be here".

Out of the many thoughtless comments posted on threads regarding this topic, I think the one above ranks pretty highly.

BYM
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