Nora Quoirin Missing

[beanaseireann]

My heart goes out to her family and friends and I'm hoping she will be found soon.

It’s horrible but it could have been so much worse.
The questions are for the family to ask now, not any of the rest of us.

It took her over a week to get to where she was,

How do you survive knowing that your child suffered for that long? . There simply aren't words.

Woke up to reading the post mortem results this morning

That poor girl and her family

I couldn't begin to imagine how frightened she was :(

Well if Nora's parents have any concerns about the results I'm sure they'll be able to have another performed. However, given that they have had nothing but good things to say about the Malaysian search effort it would be surprising if they bought into any of the conspiracies mooted here.

She was a good distance away from the accommodation but she had a week to cover that ground. The terrain was difficult to search, with dense jungle and tree cover. Efforts were made to call to her using recordings of her Mum but how difficult would it be to hear through the vegetation, nevermind with the added sound of running water from the river, wildlife and so on? Even if they did come close to crossing paths, Nóra might not have been able to recognise the sounds of a search party that we would instinctively head towards for help, and could have been scared and hid instead.

It's tragic and my heart breaks for her family. There's no need to make it into an international conspiracy.

Please stop conspiracy theories.

These poor poor parents have not only had to imagine the unimaginable but live it.

We all believe strongly we know our kids and what they will and won't do. We all have to process it when they do the unexpected.

Luckily for most of us it doesn't have such devastating consequences.

Right now as parents on a parenting site we should be supporting them.

@littlebird88

You sound a bit miffed that there wasn't more to it. How absolutely awful of you.

God this story is heartbreaking. Poor thing.

Horribly tragic for her and her family. It doesn’t bear thinking about.

That said, I’m glad they found her, and as scared as she must have been, I’m glad that there was no human involvement, iyswim.

I would much prefer to believe she died naturally, but there doesn't seem to be any logical reason for her to be unclothed, as all the reports state. That, coupled with the internal bleeding , is bound to have people being uneasy.

youarenotkiddingme I really believe that none of us know anyone's abilities or thoughts as well as we think we do. I was a really shy and cautious child, knew all about stranger danger. I'm sure my parents would have sworn I'd never get in a car with a strange man offering a lift, but I did. It was snowing and he must have recognised me from around the village and took me home so it was fine but I had no idea who he was.

Everyone acts in unexpected ways. Particularly if there's something out of the ordinary happening.

Clawdy- I refer to my previous emails below.

Wtf makes you think that you know better than the pathologists with regard to internal bleeding?

What motivates these ghoulish comments?

Is it distrust, bordering not on racism, of anyone who’s not White British? The belief that no other police force, investigative team or medics could possibly be competent or honest?

Or a need to blame ? A lack of belief that tragic accidents can and do happen?

Or just plain fucking ignorance?

Don’t know how ‘not’ appeared in that first line

No I don’t necessarily think it’s a racist thing or even anything to do with non white individuals. I think that it’s more of a fascination, if you can call it that, of human behaviour and the unknown. This is why disappearances etc garner so much public attention and why documentaries around them have such high viewing figures.

Caelano - I think it’s a combo of all three coupled with the “we don’t need experts” views voiced by Michael Gove and regularly by Donald Trump.

These people are genuinely stupid and know nothing about the subject they’re pontificating about but are arrogant enough to think they’re right.

Google Dunning Kruger effect for a better explanation.

What the actual fuck is wrong with people. Have you forgotten a child has died and her family will be distraught? Is proposing ludicrous conspiracy theories really appropriate?

What sad news, it's the thought of her being alone for all that time that is upsetting. Nobody can be blamed for what happened, there's no fault or conspiracy IMO.

As PP have said, I don't have a problem with the results of the PM - and I understand from the press report that French and Irish detectives were present during part of it.

Or Hanlon's razor.

I just feel so sorry for all those that love her. How very distressing to think she might have been saved. When I think of my own children in that situation it knocks the breath out of me

I would much prefer to believe she died naturally, but there doesn't seem to be any logical reason for her to be unclothed, as all the reports state.

She only went to bed in her underwear. Easy to see how she would take that off over the course of a week.

What's wrong with people. Of course there ar logical reasons she may get undressed over the course of a week. Something as simple as her clothing getting wet. She would also have been disorientated due to lack of food and possibly water,

Why do people do this, try to speculate it's worse than it is. Isn't it bad enough for them already.

Ghoulish, grim and shameful.

She was wandering around in 28-30 odd degree heat. Those temperatures and humidity would make anyone want to remove whatever clothing they could to cool down, and she didn't have much on to start with.

Whole thing is sad enough without making out that there's some bogeyman out there and the Malaysians are covering it up with the help of the Irish and French consulates. None of us want to think that something like this could happen to our kids, that a string of seemingly innocuous circumstances, accidents or happenings can have such tragic consequences. But sometimes they do.

My heart goes out to that poor, poor family and all of their friends. They must be devastated beyond all words to express.

I can quite believe she was unclothed ,my son for example will.just strip off if he feels wet or uncomfortable ,because of his autism and learning disabilities,he is completely oblivious to what is " normal , acceptable behaviour" it's quite possible Nora was the same coupled with sensory issues .